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The key item is the 32% tariff currently imposed by the EU on wines from elsewhere in the world. So, as I said before let wine from Australia,Chile, USA, New Zealand, South Africa, etc etc come in duty free whilst we impose 32% tariff on French wines, now that would really make the French sit up and take notice. That and French elections next year ( watch Le Pen) will see a massive change in sentiment in France. Now we could let the German and Italian wine imports off relatively lightly just to show that we not at all baised. Whilst letting the Gerries off on the wine trade we need to hit their car exports hard with say a 20% tariff on their luxury cars. The UK is the biggest market in the world for them 810,000 pa!! Project fear failed so don't let the same crew tell us that we dont have a strong bargaining position with Europe on Brexit. We have, and we should exploit it fully. GG

Interesting article in today's Times........... QUOTE July 25 2016, 12:01am, The Times If we play clever, we can keep our EU trade Dominic Raab To deliver independence, Nelson Mandela quipped, his country had to break the ?vicious cycle of dependence imposed on us by . . . those in command of immense market power?. As we negotiate Brexit, we need to step out of the shadows of Brussels? more benign but still debilitating hold, and grasp the virtuous cycle that independence from the European Union offers. The referendum was won on the clear basis that Britain would take back control of its borders, money and democracy. When the prime minister says Brexit means Brexit, she is signalling that exit negotiations won?t involve haggling on those issues. They are non-negotiable. Ending free movement of people from the EU is a given, not a bargaining chip. What is on the table is the extent to which we can retain maximum access to the single market for British companies. It makes sense to secure terms before we leave because they could then be agreed by a qualified majority of EU governments, not dependent upon a unanimous vote. The deal would be less vulnerable to being held hostage by any one country?s special interests, or isolated political spitefulness. Either way, going into any discussion you need to know your Best Alternative to a Negotiated Agreement (Batna). The British Batna is to leave the EU with no deal and rely on World Trade Organisation rules. The average EU tariff for non-members is 3.6 per cent, rising to 10 per cent on cars and 22 per cent on agricultural goods. Of course, even inside the EU, barriers to trade in services are rife. Outside, we would continue to trade with our European friends at a strong clip. But how can we minimise new trade barriers in the Brexit negotiations? We?re not negotiating from scratch. Our starting point is strong. We have tariff-free access, and EU businesses sell British consumers ?68 billion more each year in goods and services than our companies sell back. New trade barriers would hit continental exporters disproportionately, costing them sales and jobs. That?s why groups such as the German BDI, representing 100,000 businesses and eight million workers, oppose new tariffs on Britain. The more Britain expands its global trade, the more competitive pressure we exert on our existing trade partners and the stronger the EU?s commercial interest in minimising trade barriers with the UK becomes. To maximise that leverage requires a close partnership between the two big names on the British side of the negotiations ? David Davis, who is leading talks with the EU, and Liam Fox, who is charged with reaching free trade agreements (FTAs) beyond Europe. Let?s buy wine from Australia without the EU?s 32 per cent tariff Dr Fox can?t bring any FTAs into force until we leave the EU, but he can tee them up for the day after. UK trade envoys can be dispatched immediately to Australia and New Zealand, the fourth and fifth biggest exporters of wine to the UK, to explain that we wish to sign FTAs so we can drink far more of their chardonnay ? without the EU?s 32 per cent tariff. Good news for British consumers, a sobering message to the French who will face stiffer competition for their share of the UK wine market. Will they really want their politicians to squeeze them further by pressing, out of pique, for more barriers to trade with the UK? On their way home, those British trade emissaries might stop off in Japan, the fifth biggest exporter of cars to the UK, to explain that we?d like to buy more of their Mazdas ? shorn of the EU?s 10 per cent tariff on cars. Continental carmakers, used to a protected slice of the UK market, will take note. German manufacturers will have no truck with erecting trade barriers against Britain, which would cost German jobs. Mr Davis and his team should tour the continental business groups and trade fairs and meet union leaders to extol the virtues of European trade, explain Britain?s global strategy and make the case against beggar-thy-neighbour tariffs that would hit their members hardest. Of course Britain?s new global trade strategy is about more than buying cheaper goods from abroad. It?s also a golden opportunity to sell more planes, cars and pharmaceuticals to the growth markets of the future. The City will have the chance to sell more UK financial services worldwide in markets long neglected under EU trade deals. Scotland can build on its mercantilist tradition, selling more oil and whisky to markets from Latin America to Asia. Beefing up international trade will help to address low productivity, one of the systemic weaknesses of the British economy, by incentivising exports and strengthening competitiveness at home. The dynamic linking Britain?s openness to trade and our potential to boost exports is powerful. The more we dismantle the barriers that the EU imposes on imports into the UK, the more nations around the world will lower their barriers to our trade. That, in turn, will heap pressure on our EU partners to safeguard their businesses and jobs by resisting calls for tariffs on British goods. This is Brexit?s virtuous circle. Britain?s strategy must be to increase the international and domestic pressures on the EU politicians sitting across the negotiating table. With elections in Germany and France in 2017, French farmers and the powerful German business lobby will have something to say about politicians threatening their livelihoods and workers with vindictive protectionist gestures aimed at Britain. UNQUOTE

JoeLeg Wrote: > > > > > Next time you go to Gatwick and transfer betwen > > terminals , you will get on a driverless train. > > There are countless other mass transit system > > around the world that are automated. It's not > > rocket science. > > > > That's true, so why haven't we switched to it? > What is the difference between the DLR and > Southern, for example? > > > The organ grinder's assistant could even do it. > > So why don't Southern do this? > > GG > > If I seem shirty about your short-sighted > suggestion, it's because I don't think it's > helpful to suggest that wholesale termination of > the workforce, coupled with an assumption that the > job is easy, is going to solve this. I would have > no problem with Southern adopting a total change > of staff of it would solve the issues, but there's > more to it than this, not least of which is the > incompetence of Southern management. It isn't all > on the drivers. Sorry but it's the Union showing Luddite behaviour. You say it is incompetence by management. In what way? Management want to have a more efficient and cost effective service. Just like the London Underground with drivers getting more than ?45,000 pa as a result of union blackmail. They also blackmailed TFL over late night tube running. Also tibe drivers can only be recruited from existing underground staff ie no outsiders! If that isn't restrictive practices then whatevre is? Here again they should be offered new contracts and if they dont like it then tough. Even an adolescent monkey with one limb could drive a tube train. It is virually all automated. Crikey, Google and others have developed driverless cars and that infinately more difficult to achieve than running a train on rails. Let's move with the times. What would it be like today if the original Luddites held sway? GG A classic case where they should be offered new con

Lowlander Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Green Goose Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > JoeLeg Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Green Goose Wrote: > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ----- > > > > Will the Luddites never learn? > > > > > > > > Ronald Regan sacked all the air trafic > > > controllers > > > > (ATC's)when they started getting Bolshie. > He > > > was > > > > able to get replacements from the military > > and > > > > elsewhere and all was running smoothly > within > > a > > > > week! The original ATC's were never > employed > > at > > > > control centers ever again. Real Luddites. > > > > > > > > Train drivers and conductors are > infinitately > > > more > > > > dispensible than ATCs. > > > > > > > > Problem solved. > > > > > > > > GG > > > > > > So you suggest that Southern Rail requisition > > > military personnel (and others) to replace > > train > > > drivers and conductors? > > > > > > Well, for starters Reagan was > > commander-in-chief > > > and could do what he damn well pleased. > > Southern > > > Rail don't appear able to get trains to run. > > > Also, Southern don't have any right to > > > requestition military personnel (can't > believe > > you > > > even need this pointed out to you), only the > > > government can, and the military is > > > somewhat...overstretched right now. > > > > > > Of course the government can, if the > government > > > wants to take it over. But that's tantamount > to > > > admitting that privatisation has failed so I > > doubt > > > that's happening. > > > > > > Any more bright ideas? > > > > C'mon JoeLeg, I said Regan got ATC's "from > > military and elsewhere" IRPT "elsewhere". Also > I > > didnt say Southern should/could use military. > > Driving a train is a far far stretch from being > an > > ATC. > > > > There are heaps of people who could drive a > train > > with very little training. For example heavt > truck > > drivers could do it in a matter of hours. > Driving > > an HGV is much more demanding than driving a > train > > where everything is covered by safety measures. > > Apart from opening the doors all the driver > does > > is hold the "dead nman's" handle. > > All the signals are interlocked and the train > > cannot pass a red unless the driver overrides > it. > > > > Next time you go to Gatwick and transfer betwen > > terminals , you will get on a driverless train. > > There are countless other mass transit system > > around the world that are automated. It's not > > rocket science. > > > > The organ grinder's assistant could even do it. > > GG > > > It's relatively easy (for engineers) to automate > mass transit, it runs at a maximum 40mph or so, > there's only one line in each direction and a few > minutes between each stop. That's why the > Central, Victoria and DLR lines are automated (and > maybe more). > > > When you get to automating mainline trains, the > complexity of junctions, higher speeds (Brighton > mainline is 100mph in places), and heavier trains > with more intense weather conditions, means that > the cost is currently prohibitive. > > It takes 9 -12 months to a year to train (excuse > the pun) a train driver. > > Driving a 480 tonne train with 1000 humans on > board at close to 100mph is not the same as > driving a 40 tonne HGV limited to 50mph. More than a little exageration there, Lowlander! Your average 4 car southern train weighs 136 tons and carries about 300 passengers. The average speed is less than 30mph. Here we are not talking HS intercity express trains but simple, slow units. A typical run would be Croydon to London Bridge. Slow, simple and nothing complicated. The organ grinder's assistant could do it if he was given a banana! Trust me, driving an HGV is MUCH more difficult. Any Truckie could learn it in a few hours.

JoeLeg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Green Goose Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Will the Luddites never learn? > > > > Ronald Regan sacked all the air trafic > controllers > > (ATC's)when they started getting Bolshie. He > was > > able to get replacements from the military and > > elsewhere and all was running smoothly within a > > week! The original ATC's were never employed at > > control centers ever again. Real Luddites. > > > > Train drivers and conductors are infinitately > more > > dispensible than ATCs. > > > > Problem solved. > > > > GG > > So you suggest that Southern Rail requisition > military personnel (and others) to replace train > drivers and conductors? > > Well, for starters Reagan was commander-in-chief > and could do what he damn well pleased. Southern > Rail don't appear able to get trains to run. > Also, Southern don't have any right to > requestition military personnel (can't believe you > even need this pointed out to you), only the > government can, and the military is > somewhat...overstretched right now. > > Of course the government can, if the government > wants to take it over. But that's tantamount to > admitting that privatisation has failed so I doubt > that's happening. > > Any more bright ideas? C'mon JoeLeg, I said Regan got ATC's "from military and elsewhere" IRPT "elsewhere". Also I didnt say Southern should/could use military. Driving a train is a far far stretch from being an ATC. There are heaps of people who could drive a train with very little training. For example heavt truck drivers could do it in a matter of hours. Driving an HGV is much more demanding than driving a train where everything is covered by safety measures. Apart from opening the doors all the driver does is hold the "dead nman's" handle. All the signals are interlocked and the train cannot pass a red unless the driver overrides it. Next time you go to Gatwick and transfer betwen terminals , you will get on a driverless train. There are countless other mass transit system around the world that are automated. It's not rocket science. The organ grinder's assistant could even do it. GG

Will the Luddites never learn? Ronald Regan sacked all the air trafic controllers (ATC's)when they started getting Bolshie. He was able to get replacements from the military and elsewhere and all was running smoothly within a week! The original ATC's were never employed at control centers ever again. Real Luddites. Train drivers and conductors are infinitately more dispensible than ATCs. Problem solved. GG

A couple of posts here suggest that my stance on negotiating is extreme and aggressive, but I have negotiated with Arabs, Israelis, French, Africans and Russians. They all have diffrent styles. I suggest my detractors visit various web sites dealing with the Theory of Negotiation. I found the Israelis were the most intransigent. The French were the most aggressive and intimidating. The Arabls would always throw up another demand just when you thought everything had been agreed. The Russians would start out with a list of demands headed by several outrageous demands which they slowly concede. This works by softening up the other side so that all other demands appear reasonable. I think the British are the only ones whose default strategy is the mutual win-win or meet-in-the-middle approach. By comparison with the other styles, it is relatively unproductive with a high probability of under-achievement. By all means let the other side think they have a "win" but their perceived "win" is only as good as the other side has made it appear. Having said that, have a look at the "Blackmailer Paradox". To save time I will let you have it here..... .................................................................................... Reuben and Shimon are placed into a small room with a suitcase containing $100,000 of cash. The owner of the suitcase offers them the following: "I'll give you all the money in the suitcase, but only on the condition that you negotiate and reach an amicable agreement on its division. That?s the only way I will give you the money. " Reuben, who is a rational person, appreciates the golden opportunity presented to him and turns to Shimon with the obvious suggestion: "Come, you take half the amount, I'll take the other half, and each of us will go away with $50,000." To his surprise, Shimon, with a serious look on his face and a determined voice says: "Listen, I do not know what your intentions are with the money, but I'm not leaving this room with less than $90,000. Take it or leave it. I?m fully prepared to go home with nothing." Reuben can not believe his ears. What happened to Shimon? he thinks to himself. Why should he get 90%, and I only 10%? He decides to try to talk to Shimon. "Come, be reasonable," he pleads. "We're both in this together, and we both want the money. Come let?s share the amount equally and we?ll both come out ahead.? But the reasoned explanation of his friend does not seem to register on Shimon. He listens attentively to Reuben?s words, but then declares even more emphatically, "There is nothing to discuss. 90-10 or nothing, that's my final offer!" Reuben's face turns red with anger. He wants to smack Shimon across his face, but soon reconsiders. He realizes that Shimon is determined to leave with the majority of the money, and that the only way for him to leave the room with any money is to surrender to Shimon?s blackmail. He straightens his clothes, pulls out a wad of bills from the suitcase in the amount of $10,000, shakes hands with Shimon and leaves the room looking forlorn. This case in Game Theory is called the ?Blackmailer Paradox." The paradox emerging from this case is that the rational Reuben is eventually forced to act clearly irrationally, in order to gain the maximum available to him. The logic behind this bizarre result is that Shimon broadcast total faith and confidence in his excessive demands, and he is able to convince Reuben to yield to his blackmail in order for him to receive the minimum benefit. ............................................................. I welcome comments. GG

Lordship 516 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > GG > > I note you 'had' a career with a major European > car manufacturer. I have a career in major > economic analysis across many industries > globally. > M'Lud, Since you have asked, I can confirm that I had a long, enjoyable and successful career with a major European car manufacturer and reached director level. It covered 4 decades, mostly spent outside the UK and I am now retired. Hence my interest in car exports/imports. Having negotiated major commercial contracts, I may just have a better appreciation of negotiating strategy than your average Joe. GG

Which one is the more likely to morph into another Thatcher?

Your Lordship, Please don't give up on a very interesting topic. It's close to my heart as I had a career with a major European vehicle manufacturer. In the absence of hard figuers rather than percentages, I did some Googling and turned up some interesting info from two reliable resources. They both put Germanys unit exports to the UK at around 810,000 pa and the UK is its biggest export market. Their "sales" are slightly bigger in the USA but they manufacture BMWs and Mercs there. The the two articles clearly support my view that the German car industry are terrified of a major upset to their UK market. https://next.ft.com/content/f6cda050-20bb-11e5-aa5a-398b2169cf79 About a fifth of all cars produced in Germany last year, or around 820,000 vehicles, were exported to the UK, making it the single biggest destination by volume. The German car industry has the most to fear of any sector. A study by the Bertelsmann Foundation in April forecast a 2 per cent fall in German car sales to the UK in the 12-year period following any exit of the UK from the EU. _________________________________________ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3661255/Carry-trading-beg-German-car-bosses-Manufacturers-demand-Britain-allowed-continue-trading-EU-without-barriers.html Germany sells more cars to Britain than to any other country, with 810,000 exported last year, Mr Wissman said. And half of the 2.6million cars made in Britain last year were built by German-owned firms such as BMW, which runs Mini and Rolls-Royce. Mr Wissman said: ?We should do everything we can to ensure that this success story will be continued. Now it is up to Brussels to take action.? That progresses the matter of German car exports. The French export heaps (appropriate??) of Peugeots and Citreon Renaults to the uK and they have no manufacturing prescence here.So they would be very vulnerable if I was leading the negotiations. Turning to the wine trade again, do I take it that my argument there has been accepted as that line of thought has gone without response. GG

Anywhre in the USA west of Denver would be my choice. Done it several times. Car hire cheap. Petrol dirt cheap. Motel accomodation cheap and widely available. GG

Hi Lordship, Again you rattle off lots of percentages in relation to JLR ans Europe and you avoid providing hard numbers on (1) Unit sales by JRL into Germany and France. (2) Unit sales by Merc, BMW, VW and Audi into the UK. Until these are to hand then percentages mean very little. GG

Apart for the 110,000 units for ALL of Europe in 2015, you quote only percentages. Germany was up 28% but from what to what? JLR sales to the China region (China=HK) were 122,010 in 2014 some 10% behind all of Europe. During this same period, Europe was 86,310. http://www.jaguarlandrover.com/gl/en/investor-relations/news/2015/01/12/jaguar-land-rover-december-1415-sales/

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Green Goose wrote: > > >Germans dont drive many Jags and RR's > > In 2015 Europe was Jaguar Land Rover's largest > market with over 110,000 sales, representing over > 25% of total global sales, and sales in Germany > rose by 28%. So, basically, you're utterly > wrong. > > http://www.jaguarlandrover.com/gl/en/investor-rela > tions/news/2016/01/08/jaguar-land-rover-reports-st > rong-full-year-global-sales-for-2015/ Look again. Your link says that sales to Europe was up 28% last year. No mention of Germany! My turn to say "Do keep up" Again. Also, also up 28% from what quantity to what quantity? Tell me please. Believe me, JLR sales to Germany are very modest. BMW, Audi and Merc export far more to the UK than JLR sell to Germany. Forget Europe overall, just think France and Germany and put the squeeze on them. The rest will follow their lead.

Lordship 516 Wrote: Now they are left with > no one in control & the EU will never compromise > on the four main principles including free > movement - that will have to be on a mutual basis > also. It will either be all in or all out. The EU is in terminal decline. Brexit was the first step. It will take time but other nations will exit. The EU will compromise on free movement in due course. It will eventually revert to a "Common Market" for trade.

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The problem you face with that strategy, GG, is > that - AFAIK - each of the 27 EU countries has a > veto on whatever trade deal is settled. And, as > we know, you have to do the trade deal with the EU > - not each individual country. Sorry Loz, but effectively the EU doesnt work quite like that in reality. The EU Commission is the most powerful entity there and they are effectively controlled by the innerr clique of 6 ie France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands , Belgium and Luxembrg. Out of this 6, France and Germany hold the clout. If Merker doesnt want it, then it doesnt get through. The other 22 are just marginal players.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Green Goose wrote: > > >Germans dont drive many Jags and RR's > > In 2015 Europe was Jaguar Land Rover's largest > market with over 110,000 sales, representing over > 25% of total global sales, and sales in Germany > rose by 28%. So, basically, you're utterly > wrong. > > http://www.jaguarlandrover.com/gl/en/investor-rela > tions/news/2016/01/08/jaguar-land-rover-reports-st > rong-full-year-global-sales-for-2015/ Read my post please. I said "Germans dont drive many Jags and RR's" but you have said ""EUROPE" was Jaguar Land Rovers largest market". There is a big difference. Remember, France =wine whilst Germany = cars when it comes to targetted negotiations. Please keep up.

Lordship 516 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > GG > > "The UK does not export much (apart from whiskey) > to either France and Germany. So, we have nothing > much to loose but they have. Scotland wishes to > stay in the EU so let the Scots do it their way on > their own and negotiate with whiskey. " Agreed. That's exactly the point I was making. Let the Scots do their own thing. > > Whisky & hard liquor exports to Germany account > for 0.82 of UK exports. We export more ink 0.94% > than we do hard liquor. Cars 7.7%, Aircraft Parts > 6.4%, Car Parts 2.7%, Various types of engines > 4.6% & so on.... OK , you have good statistics, so what might I ask is, what is the UK's biggest export, by value, to Germany and France respectively. > > Its not possible to source French wine except in > France... Stuff the French and their wine. There's plenty good wine made outside France Australia, RSA, Chile, USA etc. We could take more Spanish and Italian just as long as it is not FRENCH. and you cannot get BMWs, Mercs or Volks > except from Europe... Stuff the German cars too. We can get more cars from Japan, Korea, Turkry, USA etc etc. They are just as good if not better. The common folk here dont drive Mercs and BMWs so why accomodate the elite? > UK buyers will want these & > no government will stop the demand. Look, we are facing austerity, so stuff the Mercs, Audis and BMWs. Lets go Toyota and Nissan- both built here. > is also true - Europeans will also want Range > Rovers & Jags. Germans dont drive many Jags and RR's > > Besides, do you for one moment think that adopting > the traditional bullying attitude of the City of > London will faze the Germans or the French [& > others] ? I think not. They will have many > positions of their own that they can counter hard > ball positions from UK negotiators and they will > have more substitution options from within Europe. > You strategy will merely drag out the > negotiations. > > Exports to the UK are important to the EU but are > only 12% of the overall exports & 3% of their GDP. > Exports from the UK to Europe constitute 45% of > UK exports - I think the EU negotiators might be > aware of these facts. You miss my basic point. We should only target France and Germany. Forget your EU wide statistics. Hit the two countries that export most to the UK. Divide and conquer! > > We do need tough negotiators but they also need to > be realistic and pragmatic. We need stability as > much and more than the EU. Sooner rather than > later. WE need to make deals - not history. Sorry, but I think you are one of those down-the-middle, win-win people. Meeting in the middle is plain stupid. We have alternatives elsewhere to Germany and France. Tell them to take a hike and find another market for their exports. Then they will wake up and smell the coffee. Merkel faces an election next year and she doesnt want to be seen as the one who gave up a huge export market for their cars. Same with Hollande and French wine.

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But, GG, negotiations don't go like that. The > Germans know what their car industry is worth and > will negotiate a deal for one or two of our > exports that come to a similar value. We'll end up > with a deal with Germany for their cars and, say, > our steel. Sorry Loz, but that is rubbish. The UK does not export much steel to anyone as the UK steel industry is on its knees. UK steel is costly because our energy costs are higher because we have gone overboard on green energy and carbon levels. In this situation you dont go for the usual gentlemanly Win-Win situation. No, you go in hard and get your punches in first. Make them aware of what they have to lose. Target them individually where they are most vulnerable. Divide them, make them fearful and dominate the discussion. The UK does not export much (apart from whiskey) to either France and Germany. So, we have nothing much to loose but they have. Scotland wishes to stay in the EU so let the Scots do it their way on their own and negotiate with whiskey. Seriously, the UK must play hard ball with France and Germany. They have more to loose than the UK has. This is a classic case where compromise is NOT best. The UK has a strong hand compared to France and Germany. We can get wine and cars cheaper from plenty of other countries. Going for a negotiated compromise ( ie win-win) just results in a wishy-washy pathetic outcome and the UK will miss out. We need tough negotiators who have worked in industry and commerce- not career politicians who always want to go down the middle path of compromise. Cameron, Osborne, Johnston and the others from the Oxbridge elite etc have never worked outside politics. They have no idea of how business operates and know no other way than compromise. They all came up as SPADs - out of touch with real commercial life. It was the politicos (then Labour) who did not give us the full facts about the implications of the Lisbon treaty. We were all conned. Same as the conned us on Iraq WMDs. That's why people voted for Brexit- it was a protest vote againstt the system be it in Westminster or Brussels The UK was always a fringe player in Brussels. We never got accepted by the inner clique of France, Germany, Begium, Italy, Luxemburg and Netherlands. If we negotiate strongly, we will come out of this stronger than before,

Pleased to see that Merkel is taking a more concilliatory position that the other EU heads of state. She knows what side the German bread is buttered on. The UK is the German's largest market for car exports. The total for VW, Audi, Mercedes etc is around 430,000 units per annum. At an average of say ?25,000 each that is ?10,75,000,000. Now that is BIG money. If the UK was to slap an extra 15% duty on thes eimports, that impact massively on volume and would be seriously painful financially to Grmany. We can easily get more car s from Japan etc to compensate. The value of French wine exports to the UK is around ?1,100,000,000 pa. The UK is the second largest importer of French wine after the UK. Slap extra duty duty on that and it would make them sit up and think. Targetting these two countries I feel would produce real leverage in the forthcoming negotiations. Belgium and Luxemburg are not worth wasting time on even though they are the most enthusiastic about having a Federal Euro State. Once Germany and France see how it might affect them then they negotiate pragmatically.

Otta Wrote: > > > Yeah, thinking and talking about hating different > people. > > The man is scum whether you wanted to Leave the EU > or not. That's bigotry if ever I read it . Just because you don't agree with him , you call him scum.

miga Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That doesn't make any sense to me. Have you got > some specific roles in mind in the EU machine that > you think are unaccountable, or is it just the > "vibe" of the thing? > Unelected - there are elections. The Commission, which is the Executive ie makes all the decisions ( headed by Junker) is unelected.

Mischa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Waking up again to a long list of large companies > looking to relocate out of the UK, and both the > Tories and Labour in meltdown with nobody stepping > up to fill the huge void, I feel I need to do > something to feel less powerless and I know I'm > not alone. Businesses can't wait for months, they > will be filing applications to relocate as we > speak. > Does anyone know the best MPs to contact and have > any email addresses? Calm down Dear. No need to try and stir up panic. Nothing much will change after Brexit. The stock market has recovered completely from the dip this week and Sterling is coming back up nicely also. Here are two questions for you........ 1. Do you have a business? 2. Did you actually vote in the referendum/ GG

Had five sash windows done in double glazing four years ago and it came to ?11,400, so not cheap.

First of all, you have to reclaim "your territory". Foxes are quite territorial and mark their territory with urine and poo. You have to do the same to reclaim your garden. Yes, that means doing it yourself (after dark so as not to offend the neighbours) or do it in a jar and spread it around. Also, there are various commercial products available that are based on garlic that do work temorarily. If you dont want to do DIY, then search Ebay for cat repellent. It's pricey but does work for a while. DIY is cheaper! If/when that stops working, make up a chile/mustard sandwich. Should all these measures fail after time, you HAVE to relocate them. They will get bigger and bigger. Someone I know offers a relocation service but it is not cheap. To do it humanely requires real skill, equipment and time. GG