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fishbiscuits Wrote: ----------------------------------------------------- > "Pro-vaccine" isn't really even a thing. We should > refer to anti-vaccine as "pro-death". I'm pro-choice and will not be bullied by the pack to "protect" us all and I'm far from alone. We would not need desperate Videos targetted at the BAME community and now the Queen, combined with banning all debate about the vaccine is making people more suspicious. If you want to trust a new drug, go for it and be "protected" I will take my chances. I suppose you think it's ok to force experimental mRNA on people with dementia who cannot consent https://www.bitchute.com/video/On9YBRY7q6EK/

EDguy89 Wrote: > Here's some other hard truths for you all to > swallow: > > Trump is still president. Q is real. The Storm is > coming. Starmer is a pedophile and all labour MPs > abduct children in the night to feed to their > lizard overlords. > > We've opened our eyes and it's time for you all to > do the same. Oh dear :) might be best if you join this lot https://www.bitchute.com/video/CsOMOXwEhyAq/

back to my original topic that deaths are counted for ANY reason within 28 days of a positive test. All you need to know is that if you die 28 days after the Vaccine its definitely not the vaccines fault and if you die for ANY reason after 28 days of testing for Covid it will be listed as the cause of death.

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well no, I was just playing back to you your exact > words on doubts about Covid deaths. Cut and paste, > read your earlier post. > ie. If you?re doubting the Covid count, why are > you not doubting the alleged vaccine death count. It seems it does matter to the families if you read the comments from 4500 people on this article they had relatives classed as Covid deaths when they were not. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9305405/Grieving-relatives-demand-inquiry-loved-ones-wrongly-certified-virus-victims.html

Ok, that's why they seem pro Vaccine, they have a possible financial interest in promoting vaccine sales as the pharmaceutical companies do.

Medscape is a resource for medical news, clinical reference, and education, on a number of medical issues not just Covid. There are quite a few people who have good thing things to say about the vaccine on here, what is your agenda,are you anti or pro vax, I'm confused.

These are comments from medical professionals on the vaccine, good to hear the pros and cons. https://www.medscape.com/sites/public/covid-19/vaccine-insights/how-concerned-are-you-about-vaccine-related-adverse-events

That is Yellow card reporting on the UK Gov website and we all trust the Government but ok, only the positives of the vaccine to be discussed from now on, but I'm not sure the one-sided view reassures people.

Here are some true facts from the UK Gov Yellow card weekly reporting https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

Yes but the Death Count they reference is only from VAERS which means it is most likely undercounted as it is only listing people who choose to report it to them, it is also only counting USA Covid vaccines deaths within 48 Hours, here is the raw data https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?EVENTS=on&PAGENO=12&PERPAGE=10&ESORT=NONE&REVERSESORT=&VAX=(COVID19)&VAXTYPES=(COVID-19)&L_THREAT=No&DIED=Yes

929 Deaths within 48 Hours of Vaccine https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/latest-data-cdc-vaers/ N

jazzer > You think about others so much you are prepared to > pass on the virus to them by remaining > unvaccinated. the vaccinated will be protected and i wont,i cant pass it on to vaccinated people.If i could what would the point be of the vaccine. The only life im risking is my own, as all the good citizens are happy to be be injected with experimental mRNA, which by the way has killed hundreds so far. Hands, face, Space are my limits with this. Forcing me to be injected via vaccine passport im not so much up for, sorry.

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KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ? ...you would think but there are other factors, > like the people that did not get treatment for > cancer or other issues due to fear or operations > cancelled so those deaths will be up so I don?t > think it is that easy? > > But this is a separate conversation from the one > you started about not all Covid deaths are (in > your view) actually Covid deaths in reality. > People dying of illnesses due to late / no > treatment are not recorded as Covid deaths, so > irrelevant to your original point. this was in response to your question "If Covid deaths are including everyone dying within 28 days of contracting Covid, and many of them are not actually dying from Covid, then the usual figures for day-to-day business-as-usual deaths must be going down quite drastically, right ?" I am saying it is hard to compare previous years to confirm this due to excess people dying from not getting treatment https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathfromheartattacksandcancerfrommarchtomayforthelastfiveyears https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19englandandwales/deathsoccurringinapril2020

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If Covid deaths are including everyone dying > within 28 days of contracting Covid, and many of > them are not actually dying from Covid, then the > usual figures for day-to-day business-as-usual > deaths must be going down quite drastically, right > ? Yes you would think but there are other factors, like the people that did not get treatment for cancer or other issues due to fear or operations cancelled so those deaths will be up so I don?t think it is that easy. From The Lancet: Since a national lockdown was introduced across the UK in March, 2020, in response to the COVID-19 pandemic, cancer screening has been suspended, routine diagnostic work deferred, and only urgent symptomatic cases prioritised for diagnostic intervention. In this study, we estimated the impact of delays in diagnosis on cancer survival outcomes in four major tumour types. Interpretation Substantial increases in the number of avoidable cancer deaths in England are to be expected as a result of diagnostic delays due to the COVID-19 pandemic in the UK. Urgent policy interventions are necessary, particularly the need to manage the backlog within routine diagnostic services to mitigate the expected impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on patients with cancer. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(20)30388-0/fulltext

siousxiesue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-n > hs-doctors-death-certificates-conspiracy-theories- > a9513981.html > > Falsifying a death certificate is a criminal > offence. not saying falsifying death certificates but that BBC counts COVID death as "Death for any reason within 28 days of a positive test"

jazzer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So what exactly are you trying to discuss here, is > it either the number of deaths from people who > have had the vaccine OR the number of deaths of > those who sadly have died as a result of Covid > 19? > I'm guessing it's hard to tell the difference > between those who have died within 28 days of > testing positive and those who have died from some > other cause where Covid may be a secondary reason > for death, a bit similar to when someone dies and > pneumonia is a secondary cause of death. Mainly to discuss the way Covid deaths are currently counted. BBC news each night states "Death for any reason within 28 days of a positive test" Maybe it does not matter if it is possibly tens of thousands wrong by counting ANY type of death, I think it matters to the families or maybe not. We will have to agree to disagree on this small detail.

nxjen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > vegancow Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > nxjen Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > It isn?t just about you though. You may catch > > > COVID with mild symptoms or even none at all. > > But > > > you would still be infectious and perhaps > pass > > it > > > on to others who are more vulnerable. Out of > > > interest do you wear a mask? > > > > Yes, you are right, we are all in this but they > > are not yet sure the Vaccine stops transmission > as > > it only reduces symptoms. I am not alone in > being > > cautious in deciding if I want to inject a new > > drug, there is a whole new Ad Campaign to > > encourage BAME people. I do wear a mask, wash > my > > hands regularly and keep my distance when > > possible. > > Preliminary results indicate the Pfizer vaccine > does prevent transmission. > > https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-02-08/ > card/2R7C6lJLsohwxUPg7uLp Good news

nxjen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > uplandrd2020 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > KidKruger Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > ?..we are not all so lucky to be home working > > on > > > full pay on Teams, doing Zoom Pilates and > > ordering > > > Ocado? > > > > > > So now we?re getting to the nub of it, are we > ? > > > Resentment of seemingly middle-class > privilege. > > > Steven Taylor anyone ? > > > > I don't resent my middle-class Privileged life, > I > > love it but do think about others. > > You think about others so much you are prepared to > pass on the virus to them by remaining > unvaccinated. It's my choice and there are many who feel the same way, you may think it's selfish but at the moment I'm hardly likely to pass It on Via a Zoom call.

The words of the BBC not mine, "Death for any reason with 28 days of a positive test " Look at the bottom of the slide on tonight's news So it is not a secret or a conspiracy, simply the way it is counted.

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ? 55 in the US, 22 in UK and 29 in Norway known to > have died after taking the vaccine? > > Currently, the count is based on anyone who died > for any reason within 28 days of a Covid vaccine. > There is a big difference between dying with the > vaccine or of the vaccine. > If you currently die of a Heart attack and have > mild symptoms from vaccine it is recorded as a > vaccine death. > I would like to know how many deaths have actually > been caused by the vaccine (as opposed to any > other reason) within 28 days of being administered > the vaccine. so would l, they say they died shortly after the vaccine, not of the vaccine, an autopsy would be useful. we finally agree on something, accurate data.

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ?..we are not all so lucky to be home working on > full pay on Teams, doing Zoom Pilates and ordering > Ocado? > > So now we?re getting to the nub of it, are we ? > Resentment of seemingly middle-class privilege. > Steven Taylor anyone ? I don't resent my middle-class Privileged life, I love it but do think about others.

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Look let?s face it - the deadly global pandemic > just happened to coincide with the Govts intention > to control us by making us taking a vaccine which > is possibly dangerous for us, probably has a > microchip in it. > Because under-education and taxation aren?t enough > control > And because even though we can be tracked already > through our mobile phones, it just makes absolute > sense to chip everyone (well, apart from the > clever people who know it?s all a big con - a big, > global con) or poison them with an untested > vaccine. > Now all you doubters will hopefully see the sense > in this. I have not said the Pandemic is not real or the Vaccine has a chip in it or that we are being poisoned which of course sounds like nonsense. I have had a family member spend 10 days in the hospital and nearly not make it so I get it is dangerous and real. What I have questioned is my worry over the long-term effects of a new drug and the accuracy of the number of people being counted as Covid deaths. Currently, the count is based on anyone who died for any reason within 28 days of a Covid positive test. (it says that at the bottom of the death count slide on the BBC news every night) There is a big difference between dying with Covid or of Covid. If you currently die of a Heart attack and have mild symptoms of covid it is recorded as a Covid death. I would like to know how many deaths have actually been caused by Covid19 (as opposed to any other reason) within 28 days of a positive test. If you read the hundreds of comments on this article, you will see many people who say the death of a family member was recorded as Covid when it was not. Why? The lockdowns are based on these numbers so it matters. Lockdown are causing suffering for many so it does matter, we are not all so lucky to be home working on full pay on Teams, doing Zoom Pilates and ordering Ocado. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9279767/BEL-MOONEY-dad-died-chronic-illness-hes-officially-Covid-victim.html

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Administrator Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > vegancow is the same person as uplandrd2020 > > vegancow / uplandrd2020 - why do you create 2x > user accounts which run concurrent conversations > ? > Genuine question. > If you (both ?) vanish now I?ll understand better > why you think it?s necessary. Same Household, not the same person

jazzer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- I don't hear of any > deaths that have resulted from having the vaccine. > You'll likely tell me its a conspiracy that the > media are to blame for not reporting no deaths The Media have reported people have died after taking the vaccine not that many compared to the amount of Covid but not none. If the Vaccine turns out not to be safe and effective this is the misinformation. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-16/norway-vaccine-fatalities-among-people-75-and-older-rise-to-29 https://thelightpaper.co.uk/assets/pdf/The-Light-Issue-6.pdf