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Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I rarely use the no 12 bus and it will be a while > before I use it again. I am quite affected by the > shooting yesterday, but only because I have > children. I was playing with my daughter on the > rye Sunday midday and trying to get her to ride > her bike for the first time without stabilisers. > We walked back up Friern Road at about 12.30, > obviously not far off the time and location of the > shooting. > > I'm going to stay clear of the peckham rye end of > ED for a while and that includes the no 12 bus. Why not go the whole hog and barricade yourself in your house? It's the only way to be sure.

+1 Sums up the general tone of this forum completely...

> Quite right Mrs F - Penk don't you realise that in > a world of consumer generated content, forums are > a cheap place to get genuine opinion. Mmm actually I do, working in a very similar field. Forums full of jokers posting under pseudonyms will never replace a good old-fashioned 'facts and figures' feasibility study based on demographic and market research. Forums are great for some things and companies do use them for things like this, but due to legislation passed last year (which any company paying for web PR and marketing will be well aware of) it is an offence to not be completely transparent if you are posting for a commercial venture - ie the days of multiple-pseudonym 'buzz creation' corporate logins are over as they're now illegal.

Asset Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > not including yourself in that statistic then > Penk? By 'you' I mean 'those of you who have posted saying how you might move out of the area because of this'. I don't come within that group, hence the 'you' ; )

jayes Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There has been quite a number of shootings in East > Dulwich recently, many are never reported in the > press. Not sure what the official figures are for > stabbings and shotings in the area but I suspect > SE22 is pretty high up the list. Nothing like an anecdotal unfounded theory post. Most of you are statistically more likely to be abducted by a UFO than be a victim of gun crime.

There was a shooting in Greenwich on Friday night also. Posh areas in 'not immune to crime' shocka. Hopefully the exodus back the Home Counties will start now.

I love how people decide what's 'right' for the area on here. A chain like Ann Summers will have a locations buyer, conduct a detailed feasibility study and from this work out whether it's commercially viable to open a store in the area. Canvassing a bunch of outraged types on a forum would probably be seen as a waste of time.

>i think this is > again one of those "spurious" posts. wait, you mean there are spurious posts on here? *ceases looking for suspicious clown *

FrustratedLawyer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > andymat Wrote: > > > I think you're on to something there! Put a big > > fence around ED and keep it safe I say. > > > Fences seldom improve areas, slum clearances > however do wonders. Please never vote.

Shaggy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yep, give them a chance. We should support local > newspapers like we like to support local shops. > > Maybe by getting lots of youngish eastdulwichites > to buy their paper they will be able to raise ad > revenue. Its cold and grim out there in the media > world, and it was never very easy to begin with. > If we don't buy papers they will all and up > turning into the Metro. That's a rather rose-tinted viewpoint that doesn't take in massively fragmented audiences, or the unstoppable march of technology as a way of delivering content. In 10 years there will be next to no local papers, the figures just don't add up and they never will again. Take the fact that you are posting on here rather than writing in to your local paper with your local concerns. Why would you wait a week to read, for example, a review of the Palmerston when you can read hundreds in a matter of minutes on the web?

What I want is an Independent or > Guardian for Southwark. Is that too much to ask > for? Yeah, course. That will never happen. The Independent's days are numbered as it is, I wouldn't be surprised if they go under this year. The Guardian barely breaks even. It's getting to be that investigative journalism's very existence is threatened, due to its higher relative cost c.f. 'churnalist' press release-driven stories that make up most of the papers. Ad revenue is steadily plummeting, which the bigger papers are able to claw back some revenue from due to the high ad clickthrough potential of a national newspaper site, but look at a regional paper or even something so local-specific as the Southwark News and there's absolutely no chance, unless 75% of the paper is ads. And their ad lifeblood (recruitment, property, retail) is, to use a technical term, jiggered.

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm with Jamma - gove someone a break. If it turns > out to be rubbish then so be it but if someone > tries to change things, far better surely to > encourage with positive criticsm than openly mock > > I don't think local papers will ever again be a > force because too many factors are ranged against > them, including: > > consolidating owenership > budget cuts > safe editorial - scandal and soft stories over > genuine interest > > but if someone comes along and tries to make some > kind of change, judge them on results rather than > taking the easy scorn option You forgot something called 'the internet' which is the main reason they're closing in droves.

Just hold his arm up and shout 'RAPIST' - I've seen this happen on tubes loads of times and very effective it is too, they stop doing what they were doing pretty quickly.

Polish lagers are excellent, though you can seemingly pick up Tyskie and Zwyiek in most shops around ED these days but some of the more esoteric ones are worth seeking out - always worth checking the % on the side before you buy, some push the 8% mark....

TJS Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > what is next to fill that space .... the ultimate > ED question Oh christ, no. :(