northlondoner

Whole day or just morning ?

Christ that's terrible. So sorry. Probably last thing on your mind but it may be worth speaking to senior officer about this ..or at least getting a loved one to do so. Also you may want to consider a private civil action ? Best wishes.

Annette ! What gives? Oh and yes EJ Carpets in FHill really are terrifically helpful and efficient .

Statesman/woman-like response. Didn't realise burglary rates were down. Horrible crime nonetheless.

Yes, I fear Muley is pedalling through the red light of logic.

Yo Muley - what's up? Hit us up with the eyewitness info, bruv.

loobylou Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Having been knocked off my bike in the summer (by > another cyclist and on a cycle path), I would urge > every cyclist to wear a helmet. I was knocked out > and spent several hours at King's being stitched, > X rayed and CTed ( not in that order). Had it not > been for the helmet, things would have been a lot > worse. As it was I drove my nearest and dearest > mad asking the same questions over and over again > for at least 3 hours, after that I began to > remember what I had said but I still don't > remember what happened in the accident, or how I > managed to ring my relatives to let them know what > had happened. Fortunately a witness rang for an > ambulance and waited until my daughter arrived. > Definitely wear a helmet! Gosh - hope you;re ok...

Jeez Muley, were you actually present at the accident. How do you know what happened. Do enlighten us.

Exemplary stuff - both you and hubby.

Ok ok, pax.

DaveR what is this fantasy world where people who criticise cyclists then go on to mow them down? You seem to have slipped the reins of reason.

Ha ha! Maybe marmora man was the " rich" customer !

DaveR wrote: I suspect your real complaint is that when you are driving, cyclists sail past you when you're waiting in traffic, but when you want to pass them they expect you to give them a lot of room. In fact you said as much earlier - "wait in line like everyone else!". That's quite a common source of resentment Gosh DaveR - that "common source of resentment " wouldn't be an anecdotal point, now would it? Cos you hate anecdotal points, innit? Anyway (sigh) I don't resent people passing me -as long as it's safe to do so. It's the dangerous weaving in and out of traffic that frustrates me - whether I'm in my car or on my bike. But I suppose the empirical evidence shows that hardly ever happens. So that's all right, then.

Careful TJ .DaveR and Mynameetc could have you stripped of your Lycra for cycling sedition and the perversion of pedalling pedagogy.

LondonLogCo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I drive a big white truck up through the city. I > treat cyclists like horse riders. Never know when > the beast they ride might misbehave or rear into > the traffic. It's a bit mental out there and the > law needs to step in now. > > For sure confiscate bikes without lights. > Prosecute wreckless drivers. Pull up the law > breaker and all that but, if you ride a bike down > hells alley ( blackfriars bridge rd) give your > self and everyone a chance. Lights, helmet, high > viz as standard. Improve your skills on two wheel > & four, as it's new territory out there. > > I am also a cyclist btw. > > But I'm ashamed at the behaviour or other bikers > and van drivers. (colour optional) Sensible fellow

Jeez Dave R - Nette's post is a joke. I don't think she really wants a cannon. Listen, I'm a cyclist as well as a driver. I've had my share of close shaves with buses, cars etc. But as I've said before , the last time I did a good commuter cycle I felt most endangered by the aggressive , risky behaviour of other cyclists. I'm sorry if that's too "anecdotal". But that's the reality as I experienced it. There's a curious thing at work here - a cult of invincibility ( I've been told by cyclsists "I don't have to wait" and " it's no skin off your nose if I got through a red light" ).... and a cult of victimhood ( check out mynamehere's dotty ramblings) . I'm not saying you fall into either caregory Dave R . But this is a toxic mix.

Whoa steady ....that's cutting. I see I face an uphill struggle in getting you to grasp my argument that its not the overtaking that's the issue. It's the recklessness in doing so. But in any event,I can only quote the words of one wiser than I. It's a response to a thread titled " what do you want " . Oh yes, let me know how that data thing works out for you ! Annette Curtain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A bike warden, with clout. > > You know those > ride-along-dressed-in-black-with-no-lights-on type > of cyclists. Yeah you do, ?500+ bike, all the > garb, no lights. > > Well, this warden would leap out, ram a broomstick > through their spokes, and then motorists would be > given the chance to crumple the stupid bike under > the wheels of their cars. > > The warden would then crack the offending cyclist > in the nethers, with said stick. > > And pedesterians could mock them from the safety > of the pavement. > > Oh and, I want a cannon on my car, for that idiot > who breaks through the light, the rugger shorts > guy, wearing long sock, no helmet and all sweaty. > As his wazzocky face looks round, i'd like to fire > a soggy loaf filled with English mustard right > into it. Again, running his silly suspension > mountain bike over, until it was flat. > > Any chances ?pp

Annette Curtain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A bike warden, with clout. > > You know those > ride-along-dressed-in-black-with-no-lights-on type > of cyclists. Yeah you do, ?500+ bike, all the > garb, no lights. > > Well, this warden would leap out, ram a broomstick > through their spokes, and then motorists would be > given the chance to crumple the stupid bike under > the wheels of their cars. > > The warden would then crack the offending cyclist > in the nethers, with said stick. > > And pedesterians could mock them from the safety > of the pavement. > > Oh and, I want a cannon on my car, for that idiot > who breaks through the light, the rugger shorts > guy, wearing long sock, no helmet and all sweaty. > As his wazzocky face looks round, i'd like to fire > a soggy loaf filled with English mustard right > into it. Again, running his silly suspension > mountain bike over, until it was flat. > > Any chances ? Top post !

DaveR Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Edited because I really don't give a stuff Shame really.

Rather off topic - but what do you call a woman with two twats? NDubz. I'll get my coat.

titch juicy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As a commuter cyclist in london, i can honestly > say the most danger i've felt recently is from > other cyclists. Drivers seem to have become a lot > more aware over the last couple of years and seem > to be driving accordingly. I think drivers are > become more fearful (of injuring cyclists) and > cyclists are becoming less fearful and careful; i > put it down to safety in numbers. > > It's ridiculous to suggest that a cyclist cycling > badly is only a danger to themselves- if a car has > to swerve/brake hard to avoid a cyclist weaving in > and out of traffic, then there's every chance > they'll cause a bigger accident. > > And of course it's not all cyclists- ashamed to > say it's almost always men. But reactions from > other cyclists i speak to waiting at lights while > others charge through is always one of > frustration. > > As far as undertaking goes- it's perfectly legal > and should be safe to do so given enough space. Nailed it. The last time I cycled to work the biggest threat I faced was from over adrenalised pumped up Wiggins wannabees. Dave R - yes wait in line like the rest of us rather than swerving into impossible spaces and then complaining about narrowly escaping being totalled. Wearing lycra doesn't make you special.

Jacuzzi

Add "massive" to the list please - in the sense that it's used to mean major or significant.

lane lover Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > People are losing their jobs and the economy is > not showing signs improvement for a while. If > dirty streets are the biggest worry for people, > then feel very lucky! > > More people should be like fuzzyboots: It probably > takes just as much time to write these messages as > it would to grab your broom and sweep the leaves > from the front of your house. You're missing the point. It's not the leaves that are the main issue . It's the flytipping that's left for ages , it's the overflowing street bins and litter lined streets. Last saturday the street sweepers left the bin bags from the street bins out on the road .... for the one hundredth time. Had it been left overnight the foxes would have ripped it open scattering crap up and down the street . When I was told it wouldn't be moved til Monday I had to shift it myself ...didn't want new GF thinking I lived in a sh@t hole. No point having a go at James B. He appears as p!ssed off as the rest of us.

DaveR Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Friend, you're sounding a little deranged. Most > folk don't hate cyclists. They just want a lot of > them to act more responsibly. You know, stop the > red light busting , trying to overtake on the > inside, riding at night without lights etc. Jeez" > > I think frustrated rather than deranged, to be > fair. Anyone with any interest in the 'cycling > debate' (if such a thing exists) has heard this > argument go round and round in circles a million > times before. The one thing that never changes, > and the most important thing, is that in an > encounter between a cyclist and a motor vehicle, > it is the cyclist who is at risk. If a cyclist > does something stupid and puts themselves in > danger, that is their individual action and they > have to take the consequences. However, it has no > relevance at all to debates about tax, insurance > and licensing for cyclists (which are all stupid > ideas, frankly), nor does it ever excuse a vehicle > driver of the responsibility to drive sensibly and > have specific regard to the vulnerability of other > road users. And the stats clearly show that, if > the aim is to stop people getting killed/seriously > injured, tackling bad driving should be a higher > priority than bad cycling. > > I agree that it would be better if all cyclists > didn't jump red lights or ride at night without > lights. But as a car driver neither of these > things present any risk of harm to you. Get over > it. > > BTW, overtaking on the inside is fair game, if > there is enough space. You need to start actually > looking in your nearside mirror - that's what it's > there for. Just wait in line like everyone else rather than squeezing into every available space. Anyone doing this is taking a terrible risk . The idea that bad cycling is less reprehensible because they're the ones who get hurt , is so ass backward , it doesn't merit a considered response. Insurance and registration would have helped my friend whose car was damaged by a careening bike as she sat waiting in traffic. Red lights are not optional for any road user. So it wouldn't merely be "better" if cyclists observed them...it would be complying with the law.