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What is clear though is that to the extent there are conservative gains the government will see this as validation of their positioning, so emboldening them on the party fines position, giving them a pass on the new horrific policy of selling refugees to Rwanda are two that particularly stick out. This. Anyone who thinks that if the Tories do well in the locals, that Johnson then won't laud it as vindication of him and his policies, is away with the fairies...
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I've enjoyed watching West Ham's progress, the Hammers fans might even one day forget about the Boleyn. On that subject, I miss the West Ham bantz on this thread, is there nothing that will bring them back?...
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''So much like the Nazis, that something almost identical was attempted by Israel a few years back?'' I don't get this line of reasoning at all, it's like saying a victim of racism can't then later go onto to act in a racist way themselves. Due to it's history, it would obviously be insensitive to call Israel actual Nazi's, but if it had a policy that mirrored a policy the Nazi's used, then that parallel needs to be drawn, likewise with the UK. And it isn't hyperbole to suggest such a parallel exists, this from Sir Richard Evans, Professor Emeritus of History at Cambridge... ''I'm not the only historian of modern Germany to find that the UK government scheme to deport asylum seekers to a tropical part of Africa irresistibly reminds them of the failed Nazi scheme to deport Jews to Madagascar.'' Leaving aside the shameful inhumanity of what is essentially a deportation scheme, it's good to highlight Israel's use of a similar policy because it ultimately failed. This from journalist Mathew Thompson... Between 2014 and 2017, Israel is estimated to have deported around 4,000 asylum seekers to Rwanda and Uganda. Nearly every single one of them left. Many were smuggled back towards Europe, facing capture by militias, Islamic State, and a perilous crossing of the Med. Commenting on the policy in 2017, the UN Refugee Agency said it was "concerned that these persons have not found adequate safety or a durable solution to their plight." It also said it was only aware of nine people who had stayed in Rwanda. Nine In 2018, Israeli newspaper @haaretzcom tracked down six of those who had stayed, and wrote that: "All six live a meager existence in Kigali, struggling to survive." Is this "building a new life in a dynamic country" as Johnson has just said? Indeed, one of the deportees Haaretz spoke to had been living on the street for two months. That is not to say it is definitely the fate that awaits people deported from Britain. But the UK must surely be alive to the dangers. The final warning from Israel's experience is that after a significant public backlash, and legal intervention from the Supreme Court, the scheme fell apart. The Gov will know all about Israel's policy and why it failed, yet they are still prepared to shame 'Global Britain' on the world stage just to deflect from the domestic mess of their own making. And judging by the Mail's front page, Johnson has already laid the ground for the eventual narrative to his Brexit base that he would've got away with it if it wasn't for those pesky 'left wing lawyers'...
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Easter Bunny Week 30 fixtures... Saturday 16th April Tottenham Hotspur v Brighton & Hove Albion Manchester United v Norwich City Southampton v Arsenal Watford v Brentford Sunday 17th April Newcastle United v Leicester City West Ham United v Burnley Tuesday 19th April Liverpool v Manchester United Wednesday 20th April Chelsea v Arsenal Everton v Leicester City Newcastle United v Crystal Palace Manchester City v Brighton & Hove Albion Thursday 21st April Burnley v Southampton
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Defending the indefensible - another PM thread
diable rouge replied to malumbu's topic in The Lounge
A desperate PM and Gov doing desperate things shocker. Don't be surprised if Article 16 is triggered in order to throw some red meat at the Brexit base... -
Leaders of rebel slave armies don't have time to socialise...
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Defending the indefensible - another PM thread
diable rouge replied to malumbu's topic in The Lounge
JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's like the magic Roundabout. If only. Zebedee knew when to fook off... -
Defending the indefensible - another PM thread
diable rouge replied to malumbu's topic in The Lounge
''Stratton resigned because they were parties. Everyone knows they were parties.'' Worth remembering that Stratton didn't even attend the Christmas party alluded to in that video, and therefore broke no rules. Instead she resigned because of jokey references she made that there might have been a party (we were still talking about a party in the singular), which Johnson then later stood up in Parliament and feigned 'disgust' at what he had seen in the video, knowing full well he had attended several parties himself... -
Defending the indefensible - another PM thread
diable rouge replied to malumbu's topic in The Lounge
If No. 10 has been briefing against Sunak, then Sunak may be thinking about resigning just to put the heat on Johnson. He's already moved his family out of No 11 so could've well been thinking along those lines before this blew up today. There's still more fines to come, then the Sue Gray report. I still think a lot of the Tory MPs will only act and try and get rid of Johnson if they feel their own seats are at risk. With the Tory party it's always been about holding onto power and who is best positioned to do that. Once they feel Johnson is an electoral liability, only then will they act, the local elections could be the catalyst.. -
Defending the indefensible - another PM thread
diable rouge replied to malumbu's topic in The Lounge
PM says he attended "brief gathering" in Cabinet room for birthday "lasting for less than 10 minutes". Where in the rules did it say you can hold a social gathering as long as it was brief and less than 10 minutes? Where in the rules did it say you could visit a dying relative/friend in hospital as long as it was brief and less than 10 minutes? Where in the rules did it say you could attend the funeral of said dying relative/friend as long as it was brief and less than 10 minutes? And so on. They're laughing at us... -
Defending the indefensible - another PM thread
diable rouge replied to malumbu's topic in The Lounge
There's going to be lots of takes on this over the coming hours/days, this is Robert Peston's latest and he's right to highlight why it's important that it should matter in a functioning democracy... The police have today concluded that the PM, the Chancellor and the PM?s wife all attended illegal parties, that breached Covid laws written by the PM. This is most serious for Boris Johnson of the three of them, because it was he who told MPs on 8 December that he had been ?repeatedly assured? there were no parties and that no Covid rules were broken. He now has the challenge of his life to prove that he did not wilfully and knowingly mislead MPs - because if he did deliberately mislead MPs then he has no choice but to resign under the code of conduct for ministers, which he signed off and approved in keeping with normal practice on becoming prime minister. This is perhaps the most important test of the robustness and efficacy of the checks and balances in the British constitution of my lifetime. If Tory MPs unthinkingly keep him in office without a proper and public assessment of how parliament was misled, because that is what suits them, and if they blithely ignore the Ministerial Code, then the charge will stick that this or any party with a big majority is simply an elected dictatorship, and the constitution means little or nothing. This is not just a slippery slope. It is the bottom of the slope. -
Defending the indefensible - another PM thread
diable rouge replied to malumbu's topic in The Lounge
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!... *Switches on Sky News...* -
Week 29 points... Week 29 table...
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Parliament has got Hansard. The EDF has got ianr...:)
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Thanks for the correction Ian, passed a couple of weeks ago, didn't spot it in the news at the time but I guess Ukraine has rightly dominated the headlines...
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If the questions were the same, it wouldn't be long before the questions had been passed on to all and sundry :) 5 years is the maximum term a Gov can serve, it can still call an election before then if it so wishes subject to conditions in the Fixed Term Parliament Act...
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I'm with Bulb and they sent an email confirming when the meter readings were submitted, do you have something similar?...
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Defending the indefensible - another PM thread
diable rouge replied to malumbu's topic in The Lounge
Man secretly holds US Green Card and should resign shocker... -
It doesn't really prove anything when it comes to 'Britishness', more appropriate questions would be ''Are you happy to stand in a Post Office queue for 45 minutes?'' or ''Do you dunk your biscuits in your tea?''...:)
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I also got 23, failed on ''What did the Canterbury Tales consist of?'', novels, poems, fables, and something else, but several of them I only got by deduction, had there been no multiple choice I wouldn't have known e.g. ''Who invented radar''...
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I think a better way to describe that would be... ''What Brexit does depends on the final deal struck and subsequent post-Brexit policy'' The two go hand in hand...
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I liked this response to Frosty's ramblings... If that was a Wikipedia entry, it would have ?citation required? about every seven words. :)
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Week 29 fixtures... Friday 8th April Newcastle United v Wolverhampton Wanderers Saturday 9th April Everton v Manchester United Arsenal v Brighton & Hove Albion Southampton v Chelsea Watford v Leeds United Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Sunday 10th April Brentford v West Ham United Leicester City v Crystal Palace Norwich City v Burnley Manchester City v Liverpool
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Week 28 points... Week 28 table...
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