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If only it were ignorance, the people who promoted Brexit can't blame Brexit, all part of the Trump/Johnson playbook of denial and non-apology. Always the victim, it's never their fault...

Plagiarism is never a good look...

Sorry to disappoint you keano, but I'm not in the public eye let alone the PM, so I, and anyone else on here for that matter, doesn't have to adhere to the high standards we expect of those that hold elected public office. Anyway, shouldn't you be washing your socks tonight?...

It's not just about ''blaming him as a departmental head for the actions of subordinates''. What's upset many people ian is that Johnson knowingly wrongly smeared Starmer with the failure to prosecute Saville, and therefore the associated child sex aspect therein. That crossed a line of decency. I don't recall anyone on 'the other side' ever criticising Johnson for the mistakes of underlings with similar repulsive overtures...

Deary me. I had hoped with a new Leader of the House replacing the pantomime toff, we might get some much needed gravitas from the new incumbent. But no, same old same old... People in the "real world" don't care about parties held in Downing Street during lockdown

It's a difficult balancing act for sure, we do need to try and 'live with Covid' like we do with 'flu, keep the economy as open as possible etc, but we also know that Covid has the potential to mutate into something much nastier, and by dropping all restrictions we are at risk of creating a hothouse for it to do just that. So I don't understand this Gov's obsession that all restrictions have to be lifted in order to 'get back our freedom', there are some like wearing masks in densely populated indoor spaces e.g. public transport and shops that could be retained without having an adverse effect on the economy. Of course there's nothing to stop people doing that anyway, but one of the things that has struck me about the whole situation is how compliant people have been with the various rules. It seems unless some people are told what to do they won't do it even if it's in their best interest...

I was initially going to include Amess alongside Cox, but after thinking about it I didn't feel they were the same, in that Cox's murder was clearly political i.e. she was specifically targeted for being a 'treacherous' Remain supporting Labour MP, whereas Amess' murder was fueled by religion not his politics, he could've equally been a Labour politician. Had Starmer been murdered, that too would've been solely political, and was very similar to Cox's with calls of 'traitor' echoing around Whitehall. Adding Amess felt like a false equivalence in that he was killed for different reasons...

If Zouma has come out and said he is ''a good Muslim'' then I'd take ST's comment as being ironic in intention and understand why he posted that. However, if Zouma hasn't said that, then, rightly or wrongly, it does read as a general pop at Muslims per se. I'm sure ST will want to clear up any confusion...

Hard to get a plumber these days since Brexit, even to fix a leaky tap. Drip....Drip....Drip...Tinselgate... Cummings reckons ''there's waaaaay better pics than that floating around, incl in the flat''

If I had seen any one of you call out DR for some of his disgusting, personal comments above...then I might be able to take this thread a bit more seriously when you have a go at people like keano.... I agree Cat, saying keano watches GB News was beyond the pale, please accept my wholehearted apology...

Very surprised to see that he was picked to play for West Ham last night, bad optics for the club and manager. Police don't appear to be investigating but hopefully the RSPCA are and will remove all animals and seek a prosecution...

Keano, don't flatter yourself, none of your comments has ever 'upset' me, but I will happily give short shrift to you, and anyone else for that matter, who is beyond sensible debate. I mean, what planet is someone living on who questions that the whole Starmer incident might have been staged? That's wacko territory and I've no problem calling you out for what you are. The sell by date for reasonable debate with you passed a long time ago...

Apparently it's very much a demotion from being Leader of the House, which must stick in Moggy's craw after all the recent defending the indefensible he's been doing lately for Johnson...

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Panic over boys and girls, Jacob Rees-Mogg has just been made Minister for Brexit Opportunities. It was a close call between that and Minister for Making Cups of Tea as to which portfolio offered the most scope for a politician of JRM's standing...

And if I remember correctly, after the Westminster banning he headed up to Manchester and promptly got spotted and chased out of town by Wrexham fans up for a friendly match...:)

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The thing is the names of these guys are doing the > rounds - yet they are not being dealt with by just > banning them from central london and then jailing > them if they come back. I don't know if it's the same grifters, but one of the main ringleaders during the pro-Brexit/Trump crowd that harassed MPs like Anna Soubry, was banned for a while, but that must've been about 3-4 years ago so presume they have been free to return for sometime...

I've already explained there's a big difference between online name-calling and in-person intimidation/harassment. Keep up...

Sorry keano, you're a jokester of a poster, pissed-up on Koolaid and long gone down the rabbit hole. Do everyone a favour and go back to masturbating into your sock while watching GB News...

Not often I agree with Dan Hodges... I think people are missing the point this morning. It's not that the crazy extremists heard what Boris was saying, then decided to copy him. It's that the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom heard what the crazy extremists were saying, and decided to copy them.

''Your starter for 10'' - Bamber Gascoigne...https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-60301687

?What?s wrong with people? Being called names goes with the territory of being a politician.? Jo Cox was 'called names' before she was stabbed to death. There's a big difference between name calling, say on an online forum like this, or even shouting something from a passing car, than the organised and concerted harassment, abuse, and personal insults we saw aimed at Starmer, which also included someone carrying a noose. I'm sorry, but none of that is acceptable in a civilised society, where everyone, including MPs, has the right to walk down a public street without fear of such harassment. By all means protest but do it peacefully and without intimidation and harassment. Goodness knows what would've happened if the police hadn't been there. And all that apologists for such behaviour like you can do, is question whether it was a 'mob' or not. As Jo Cox found out, it only takes one 'nutter'. But hey, you're an apologist for Trump and the Capitol siege, so I guess this is small fry to you, big man...

Just bumping this up prior to the mid-week games starting tonight...

I don't think KK is that old Pgc... :)

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