Mick mac,even more confusing are grown up people trying to negotiate/reason with out of control kids. I sat in a restaurant next to a family with an irritable, whiny child. The whole family spent their entire time, (talking to it in a 'high pitched kiddy tone') trying to pacify this kid who then went on to have a tantrum. A short sharp slap would have saved time, given a clear message, and saved the poor kid the confusion of being spoken to in funny voices, whilst escalating to fever pitch. AND they still never took it home . Selfish B******s