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Humdinger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Id like to see Millwall play against Chelsea, or > West Ham in the cup. I would go along just to > watch it all kick off, it would be quite funny. what like it was 'funny' when that everton fan got his face cut open last season? what an idiot

Humdinger Wrote > > Note they both came from nearby areas of > deprivation, to alledgedly violently mug someone > in East Dulwich. Why should people note that? And isn?t the Gowlett Rd in Peckham?

Loutwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It?s all deeply undemocratic to > expect the general populace to have any sort of > understanding over and above ?Do you wish to > remain in the EU?? YES or NO. > > Louisa. Of course it isn?t deeply undemocratic to provide people with adequate and accurate information to allow them to understand what NO means Because as we can see NO doesn?t mean the same to everyone so in fact an oversimplified question like that is very undemocratic It?s equivalent of saying in a GE do you vote for the government or against it

exdulwicher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > May's deal didn't respect the referendum, it > provided a very hard Brexit and didn't reflect the > closeness of the result. > > Agreed but added to that is the problem were now > in where literally nothing "respects the result of > the referendum" because it was never spelled out > HOW we leave. > I totally agree - the referendum was flawed from the start - effectively it asked 'shall we stay as we are or shall we do something different' (but offering no clarity on what something different meant and as we can see now people interpreted (and still interpret) what leave means differently leave doesn't mean leave in any certain way and brexit doesn't mean anything specific either

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > From another thread:- > > Posted by Sue August 29, 10:45AM > > DulwichFox Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Rye Lane is a No-Go zone after dark. What do you > > > expect. > > > > I would not dream of walking around that area on > > > my own at night. > > > > Oh FFS, no it isn't. > > But then not so long ago you posted on here saying > you would not walk anywhere near the Gowlett at > night. > > Get a grip! > > Now do you see what I mean. It's NOT safe > > Fox > > ETA:- I hope the person who was attacted is Ok. Shameless point scoring first Thoughts for victim an afterthought

Hemingway Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Loutwo Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > The London of 30 years ago was > > far more diverse and affordable than the > > capitalist hell hole that?s been created today. > > > > Louisa. > > Lots of working class Londoners couldn't wait to > 'get out' 30 or even 20 years ago. "What do you > want to buy a house in this shithole for?" was my > working class neighbour's first words to me in the > early 90s SE22 And ?white flight? is clearly shown in the last census data But data also suggests that the areas of most exodus aren?t those with most ?gentrification? but rather higher levels of immigration, look at Barking and Dagenham for example Make of that what you will

Loutwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The London of 30 years ago was > far more diverse and affordable than the > capitalist hell hole that?s been created today. > > Louisa. when you see the place that you live as a hellhole, surely it's time to leave?

peckman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A general election wont solve anything .. it will > just make us more divided .. as will another ref . > Tbh .. I havent a clue .. apart from let boris get > us out and completely bllx it up. I don't understand how a new ref asking in effect 'now that you know more about what Brexit actually means and how little anyone knew in 2016 (and how much inaccurate info was spread e.g. on the side of a bus) - with specific actionable options offered (e.g. a deal, no deal, remain)(rather than the ridiculous over-simplified 'Brexit means Brexit' mantra), do you still want to do it?' would be divisive? i think that it's hard to argue that 52% voted for the same thing, so it's only right to check if anything achievable from here is what people want knowing what we know now (and if it is then (even as a remainer) i would back getting on with it) i also think its very likely (bearing in mind only a 2% swing is required) that what is happening now is not supported by half of the population or MPs and taken together with e.g. suspension of parliament, it's hard to see this as democratic i guess there's only one way to find out the will of the people where we are now - and that's to ask them

Loutwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > we will continue to keep a free and open border with the > single market with 0% tariffs.. . > > Louisa. and you think that's what people voted for? I'm pretty sure it isn't

Loutwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > pk Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Loutwo Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > pk Wrote: > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ----- > > > > Loutwo Wrote: > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > You seem to think the EU is perfect, > > > > No, I?m in favour of reform. Where do you think > I > > said it was perfect? > > > > others think it is a > > > dictatorship > > > > Who do they think is the dictator? > > The unelected commission which, although only a > restricted arm of the larger beast, still wields > enough power to represent and perpetuate a lack of > transparency. Can you honestly tell me that > European Parliament elections have a big enough > turnout to represent the true opinions of most > European citizens? I don?t see how it could be. > > Louisa. It?s hard to represent people?s opinions if they can?t be bothered to express them I agree But it?s far to say most dictators aren?t an executive body with representatives of 28 states

Loutwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > pk Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Loutwo Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > You seem to think the EU is perfect, No, I?m in favour of reform. Where do you think I said it was perfect? others think it is a > dictatorship Who do they think is the dictator?

Jenny1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Loutwo Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > No Deal > > is a far better option for a leave voter than > any > > half arsed deal. > > > > But the trouble is that the day after 'No Deal' we > have to start the whole painful business of > negotiating a deal all over again - there will > have to be a 'deal' done after 'No Deal'. I think > many people regard 'No Deal' as some kind of > bracing culmination, rather than what it really > is....a return to square one and the beginning of > a very long process of coming up with a new deal, > but this time from the weaker position of being a > 'third party' with a declining economy, rather > than a fully paid up member of the club. And at the time of campaigning we were told consistently that they?d be a deal So any suggestion that 52% voted expecting a no deal isn?t accurate, in fact 52% didn?t all vote for the same thing

Loutwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > they?ve followed quite a > undemocratic and institutionalised path ever > since! > > Louisa. Based on elected representatives voting on things yeah, that kind of i undemocratic?

Loutwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > pk Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Loutwo Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > With respect, foxy has a valid point. The > rise > > of > > > Hitler was a second attempt by the German > > state, > > > under a dictator, to take over Europe and > unite > > it > > > under the Third Reich. It began with the > > > annexation of ?German speaking? regions of > > various > > > neighbouring countries throughout the 1930?s > > and > > > ended with them eyeing up the Soviet Union. > > > > > with respect, suggesting hitler invented the EU > is > > ridiculous > > With respect, if we had not had Hitler, we would > not have needed the EU. The Second World War lead > to European nations seeking a way of uniting > nations under a umbrella organisation to prevent > dictatorships such as the nazi regime. Without > Hitler and his tyranny, the EU would never have > happened. > > Louisa. Hitler didn?t invent war or empire building or international trade you know But even if he had it wouldn?t mean that he invented the EU

Loutwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > With respect, foxy has a valid point. The rise of > Hitler was a second attempt by the German state, > under a dictator, to take over Europe and unite it > under the Third Reich. It began with the > annexation of ?German speaking? regions of various > neighbouring countries throughout the 1930?s and > ended with them eyeing up the Soviet Union. > with respect, suggesting hitler invented the EU is ridiculous

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > oh > dear...https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-74 > 16263/Extinction-Rebellion-founder-reveals-inspire > d-taking-psychedelic-medicines.html?ns_mchannel=rs > s&ico=taboola_feed_desktop_news Oh dear indeed, more base level sensationalist reporting from the Mail. No surprise tho More balanced reporting from the mail?s source here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49513802

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hitler wanted a united Europe under HIS Command. > He basically invented th E.U. but was defeated. > > The E.U. was formed in an attempt to prevent > conflict between its members from ever happening > again. > Thats what we were all told. It was more of a > financial set up for which the U.K. were not > really part off. > > The member countries adopted the Euro as their > currency. The UK kept the Pound. > > Why do you think Brussels allowed us to do that > ?? > > It meant we were Never really part of the E.U. in > the Financial sector. and were subject to an > exchange rate. > > That's a big area were The UK lost out and have > continued to do so. > > Fox Financial services is an area where we are already losing out as a result of a leave vote But as usual you?re happy to spout rubbish that has no basis in reality ?Hitler invented the EU?! WTF!

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ...most people who voted leave are > people who have somehow been dispossessed by free > movement So they voted based on immigration then?

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > ..mangy, flea ridden scavenger?? How childish. How > old are you ? 10 ? > > Fox Says the man who ?rests his case? based on his analysis of another user?s name

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think your chosen UserName is indicative to your > own argumentative nature. > > Sephiroth is the main antagonist of Final Fantasy > VII, and one of the major antagonists in its > extended universe. > > > I rest my case.. Says the man named after an animal mostly considered to be a pest and/or a trump supporting news channel

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > I do not accept Racism and Xenophobia and will > confront such people. > > DulwichFox. > So what have you actually done to confront racism?

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > My reason for leaving the E.U. has Nothing to do > with Immigration or Xenophobia. I?m pretty sure the reason is ignorance, so much of what you right is not based on reality Not everything is about opinions, some things are facts

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > One thing worth mentioning : > > The economy of Switzerland is one of the world's > most advanced free market economies. > > Switzerland is a small but wealthy country, which > is surprisingly not a member of the EU. > > Not a lot of people realise that. > > The UK will prosper once we finally get out. It > might take a while after 40 years of Brussels > Rule. > > DulwichFox Have you looked into the lengthy and difficult recent negotiations between the EU and the Swiss around financial markets access at all (financial services being key to the Swiss economy)? Of course you have - you know loads about Switzerland that not a lot of people know, how do you think that?ll work out?

Loutwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bromley. It offers something for everyone. And I > mean, everyone. > > Lewisham, again, offers something for everyone. > > Croydon, offers something for everyone too. > > Peckham and Dulwich DO NOT. > > Louisa. but these boroughs not streets (as you were talking about rye lane and LL, it's only fair to compare like with like) if we are playing by boroughs, southwark offers all sorts for everyone doesn't it?

Loutwo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There?s a fine line between too gentrified, and > not gentrified enough. In fact, scrap that. > > Rye Lane and LL both lack variety. They have a > whole host of too much of the same stuff. A lack > of variety in general. LL looks and smells OK, Rye > Lane looks and smells disgusting. Neither of them > offer much for the whole population of the areas > they represent. > > Louisa. is there anywhere that you do like? that you feel does offer plenty to the whole population of the area it 'represent'?