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Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You are joking right pk? > > No - I think if a small minority of west indian > people are offended by this statement that is not > enough to make a statement generally offensive. > > If a majority or at least a significant minority > are offended by the statement then yes I'll agree > with you that it's generally offensive. i'm not joking if cause you personal offence does it not matter if it's not 'generally offensive'? why do you say that those that are offended are insignificant in number? do you know their number? and what about those offended outside the West Indies?

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But is it genuinely offensive? Or are people > searching for something to be offended by. > yes - people have been offended by it so it is offensive and there are longstanding stereotypes around black people (not only in the US) and fried chicken and it is long established that some people find these stereotypes offensive why are you so keen to dismiss the fact that people have been offended and deem from (i am assuming) a different cultural perspective that despite the fact that people have in fact been offended that the offensive act was not offensive? (and even suggest that those have been offended are looking to reasons to be offended, which i find in itself offensive?) you could take the opportunity to stop and think, or to learn something about an area in which perhaps you are ignorant - but no

brum Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > pk Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > in my view the ad is certainly racially > > insensitive and ill judged > > > Please can you explain why? because it has caused offence and it was foreseeable that it would do so

in my view the ad is certainly racially insensitive and ill judged

suzyq Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This is going to cause some serious problems for us residents more serious than your house burning down?

ruffers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Mick Mac Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > > Sorry - but I have to disagree. Asking staff to > > move to a safe area protects staff whilst > failing > > to protect customers, which is just wrong. > > > > > Errrrr, the drinks aisle is at the back of the > store..... i thought the same i also don't get what 'we' (being mostly occasional customers, i am guessing) are supposed to learn by 'looking closely at how these situations are dealt with' (meaning by analysing very few facts on a forum?) so that 'we can deal with them better in the future?' it's all just for gossip innit?

HAL9000 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > pk - It might be easier if you posted your view or > argument rather than trying to draw it out of > other posters' contributions. That way, anyone who > wishes to agree or take issue can engage with you > directly. my first post on this this thread: "i saw this story on the local news last night and Rod Liddle was denying he was racist etc, etc when i read the stuff i thought that he must've decided that he was going to go out of his way to be overtly racist - what a w**ker" from a response to you up the thread: "i haven't got any stats that show that what he said is true, i doubt that any exist" pretty much sums up my opinion

HAL9000 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > pk Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > but you're not actually giving any stats? > > No, I was only citing the Home Office stats > produced by C4 news last night. I've no reason to > disbelieve them, though. > but 'citing' stats involves referencing the source and saying what the stats say doesn't it? you know as 'evidence'? do you know what it is that you don't disbelieve? can you share it? > > do you really think [?] > > I've not expressed an opinion that's why it was a question

HAL9000 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > I was citing stats produced by a TV news program > that aired last night but you're not actually giving any stats? do you really think that the below taken as a whole is capable of support by stats (were you to know any such stats)? and that (again taken as a whole) it's not offensive? "The first of an occasional series ? those benefits of a multi-cultural Britain in full. Let me introduce you all to this human filth. It could be an anomaly, of course. But it isn?t. The overwhelming majority of street crime, knife crime, gun crime, robbery and crimes of sexual violence in London is carried out by young men from the African-Caribbean community. Of course, in return, we have rap music, goat curry and a far more vibrant and diverse understanding of cultures which were once alien to us. For which, many thanks."

HAL9000 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > pk Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > the stats that i saw didn't - what did you see? > > > Show me yours and I'll show you mine. i haven't got any stats that show that what he said is true, i doubt that any exist - so i am asking you to share the stats that you have that 'support his claims' his claims being that: across all of the types of crime he listed: street crime and knife crime and gun crime and robbery and crimes of sexual violence in London, the 'overwhelming majority' (not sure how much more than 50% is required to be 'overwhelming' but it's far to assume that it's quite a bit more, i think) are committed by people who are 'young' and 'black' and 'from the African-Carribean community' (and that's not to mention his claims about rap music and curry goat etc)

HAL9000 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SteveT Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Where does he get his evidence from? Is it > > accurate? > > > > If it comes from a reliable source of police or > > government figures then it is irrefutable. > > He was interviewed on TV news last night. The > program's researchers produced official figures > that support his claims. the stats that i saw didn't - what did you see? did they also show stats that show that "in return, we have rap music, goat curry and a far more vibrant and diverse understanding of cultures which were once alien to us" as being a fair summary?

RosieH Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Rod Liddle - utter c**t. wise words i saw this story on the local news last night and Rod Liddle was denying he was racist etc, etc when i read the stuff i thought that he must've decided that he was going to go out of his way to be overtly racist - what a w**ker

there's the walk in at lister in peckham if you would rather get advice from a doctor

Moos Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ms B! good to see you back. > > I do think the majority of posters are agreeing > with you, though. > > Anyway. > > pk, surely asking a small child to sit on a lap is > no hardship? I rather agree that I don't see the > relevance of whether she had paid or not (she's a > child, she doesn't have to) nor of who was more > tired than whom (small children generally win this > one hands down), but overall it's just good > manners to budge up for others where it's > possible. > > The comment on tiredness reminds me of a comment > made by a certain ex-poster who said he never > stood up for old people on the bus because he'd > been at work all day and they hadn't. Nice. you're probably right - but it was the 'i've paid my money and they haven't' (to paraphrase) etc that i didn't get. in practice i guess it depends on the size of the child personally, i've never thought of asking someone to move a child to make way for me and in my view a child's as much right to sit there as me so even now it's occurred to me that some people do i don't think that i will - may be i need to work on my sense of self importance

Nero Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Giggirl - I agree with you about small children > having to sit on a parent's lap or sharing with > another small child. I asked one man to let his > kid sit on his lap on a crowded bus, and he acted > as if I had asked him to wipe my arse. I explained > that she was little and she hadn't paid and that I > had a ticket and was tired after an 11 hour shift. > He still couldn't quite see why I felt it was the > right thing for his daughter to do but relented - > grudgingly - in the end. Now, if it had been a fat > kid.... so were you more important than the child because of their age? because they were little? or because of the fact that you splashed your hard cash? if i'm older/bigger/richer than you, can i ask you to give up your seat for me? i'd have told you to stick it

what kinda stuff does he like?

isn't the answer train to LB and then go over to platform 5 (or 6) and hope on to one of the very frequent trains to waterloo east?

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > pk Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Mick Mac Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Bright kids are best challenged at more > > demanding schools. More > > > demanding schools are not the best place for > > less intelligent pupils as they can fall > behind. > > I > > > don't agree that schools for all abilities > work > > best for all children. > > > > > and are you suggesting that the 'middle-class' > > kids are the brighter ones and those from > > 'deprived areas' are the less intelligent ones? > > > I don't think I have ever mentioned class PK. Sorry you didn't (although you arguably implied it), so i'll rephrase my question: are you suggesting that kids from 'middle income professional families' are the brighter ones and those from 'deprived areas' are the less intelligent ones?

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bright kids are best challenged at more demanding schools. More > demanding schools are not the best place for less intelligent pupils as they can fall behind. I > don't agree that schools for all abilities work best for all children. > and are you suggesting that the 'middle-class' kids are the brighter ones and those from 'deprived areas' are the less intelligent ones?

man - donny hathaway woman - anita baker

ratty Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > you have to get sky plus gotta agree, you might not know you need it, but once you have it you'll realise that you do

i've said this before (and been shot down by people who believe that the forum is an appropriate and effective place to return lost property), but i don't think that the forum is - someone's lost their keys (in this instance) and if they don't come on here they've no hope of getting them back i guess that it can be useful to take the approach that some others have and post 'i found [e.g. an ipod] and in case it's yours i've handed it into [e.g. the park office; the police station] so go and ask for them there' but taking things home indefinitely doesn't seem right or likely to be effective Keys i guess are perhaps less of an issue as they might be easily replaced has anyone ever successfully returned anything via the forum?

mockney piers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm generally appalled by the battery life in general. Other > downside is that it's pretty patchy at all that > phone call malarkey. i'm thinking about an i-phone, how bad is the battery? and what are the issues around making calls?

Domitianus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As a matter of principle I do object to > discrimination against any party even if they are > perceived to be part of group that can 'take it' > from time to time. > so you disagree with disabled parking too then?

woofmarkthedog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Dom----- > > Said > > i said that you made a comparison, you said you > didn't are you know agreeing that you did? > > -------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > I really don't now...err I mean know....err > no.... > > > However ,I really fancy a "Knorr cuppa soup" > though know, that I do now! > > > > W**F my typo to be fair, now edited