davy watts

shower scene in Psycho jack nicholson bursting through door with axe in Shining exclaiming 'here's johnny' car chase in The French connection (always preferred this to the one in bullit)

Is there any other way to run?

Hilary I have entered the London Marathon next year so I'll also be training for it from january on. It's my first time so I shall probably check out Dulwich park runners myself. I currently run 3 or 4 10km runs a week and did a half marathon in october. I will really try to kick on in jan and have been considering giving up drink completely until after marathon.

On the self defence theme I think it can be dangerous to assume self defence classes can help in these situations. They can make you feel more confident then you ought to be and instead of doing the sensible thing and handing over your property you may feel brave enough to physically cahllenge your assailant and therefore up the ante of the encounter. Effective martial arts actually take years to learn, not just a few lessons, and even then there are no guarantees they will work in the street as this is such a totally different environment to the Dojo or gym.

This thread lacks class.

I'm certainly not advocating that you can never drop a class player who is in bad form. But this only is an option if you have a like for like replacement.I don't really feel England have adequate cover in this position as I think Ferdinand on a bad day is still better then Lescott or Upson on a good.

I don't think Ferdinand should be dropped on the back of a couple of mistakes. He is proven quality and should therefore be allowed to play himself back into form. His mistakes are of judgement as opposed to a loss of pace or technique. Form is temporary and class is permanent.

Wow Tweaser ! Are you single?(tu)

I'm sorry Brendan. I wasn't trying to be facetious or rude. But whether you like it or not, they probably do have certain policies that would appeal to the working class.

Other options Brendan ? Are we talking BNP ?

According to Sky, Spanish Police said that no foul play is suspected and neither is suicide. He was apparently fit and healthy and was also known to be out partying that evening. The assumption. therefore, of a drug induced death is not a homophobic one.

The current incumbents might leave a lot to be desired, but they are still a prefereable option to the Conservative party if you are working class. They have a working class tradition whereas the Conservatives don't. I support Tottenham Hotspurs and will do until I die, despite some of the crap that's managed or played for them. I could never support another team, especially their most bitter rivals, Arsenal. My support of the Labour party runs along the same lines.

I am and will be Labour 'til I die. Despite their current guise they are still the party of the working classes. I am working class and always have been so I will never vote for anyone else.

I have just been told that I can no longer listen to my radio at work unless my employer buys a licence that allows this. I'm absolutely gutted. I dunno how I'll get through the day without a radio on.

Two's company, three's a crowd....At least it is at Palace.