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SimonM Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > >>Interesting that you mention community vandalism > - a bit rich and smacking rather loudly of > hypocrisy. > Agreed emphatically, for all the reasons stated and me

macroban Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I note that Councillor Barber ignored this thread. was thinking exactly the same myself

Asset Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > keep the mum scum out of the street is this for real? are you really complaining about people picking up their kids from school?

bawdy-nan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Livesey caters for children under 12. It is > superb. It was written up as part of the > Guardian's series on family friendly museums in > 2006. Apparently the council moved closer to > forcing it to close this morning (according to an > email from Cllr Andrew Pakes) > > From the Guardian: > 3. Livesey Museum > In London's Old Kent Road, squeezed between > high-rise housing estates and derelict parking > lots, is a real gem. The Livesey, a children's > museum for the under-12s, boasts that it is "fully > hands-on"; there isn't a Do Not Touch sign in > sight. But you won't find any computer > interactives either. Livesey is low-tech: open > rickety wooden drawers and peer inside to find a > remarkable object or put on a shadow puppet show. > > In their current exhibition, Myths and Legends, > you can clamber into a tepee or on board a > mythical ship, or enter a giant dragon's lair > ("the biggest ever seen in Peckham"). The Livesey > philosophy is to involve children at every stage > of their productions: a panel of young people > decide on the content of the exhibitions. > > Local schoolchildren tend to use it as a quiet > place to do their homework and the handful of > staff tolerate behaviour that would elicit loud > "tuts" in any other museum. My own toddlers, > suffering in the inner-city heat, stripped off in > the courtyard and ran about naked, jumping into > the pretend pool. The Livesey has simply reached > places other museums haven't - into the hearts and > minds of the local kids, who regard it as their > own. > > Myths and Legends runs until August 26. > > ? Livesey Museum, 682 Old Kent Road, London SE15; > www.liveseymuseum.org.uk; 0207-635 5829 thanks looks like i should head down there while i still can

TillieTrotter Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ah, spent many a happy day there with my kids when > they were of the age. Shame:( what ages are catered for at the livesey?

i agree with michael (on most of it) not all shops appeal to everybody, and those shops that don't appeal to enough people do not survive - coffee shops and betting shops included

macroban Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > academic review of evidence! thanks for sharing > > > > this is what people should be looking for > > National averages being projected on to a local > situation. oh yeah, better going with one persons unresearched opinion

BJL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >> Falcao - there was no mention of people from > "outside the area" in the original post. > Shu.Kurimu.Sensei wrote: > > but it says "These groups really stand out, there's no way they live in the area"

Fuschia Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Compared to adults, children and young people > experience greater levels of violent crime > victimisation. According to the 2006?2007 BCS, the > risk of becoming a victim of violent > crime is 3.6 per cent for a British adult. > However, the available figures for children and > young people provide a striking and stark > contrast. For young men aged 16 to 24 the risk > was almost four times greater: 13.8 per cent > experienced a violent crime of some sort in > the year prior to their BCS interview. > > ... almost half of children attending school > surveyed in the 2004 YJB Youth Survey had been > victims of a crime in the previous year. And > according to the 2005 OCJS, just under one-fifth > (18 per cent) of young > people aged from 10 to 25 years had been a victim > of an assault in the last 12 months, with > 10 to 15 year olds more likely to have been > victims than 16 to 25 year olds (20 per cent and > 16 per cent respectively). The evidence clearly > suggests that children and young people > suffer much higher rates of victimisation" > > Source: ?Knife Crime? A review of evidence and > policy > > Centre for Crime and Justice Studies > King?s College London > > 2007 academic review of evidence! thanks for sharing this is what people should be looking for rather than 'i think rap is bad'(for example) and assuming that that's true

falcao Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Someone said in an earlier thread that groups of > teenagers have been seen in the East Dulwich area > and they definitely look like they're not from the > area. How do you spot that then? i was going to ask exacting the same

i think that the SLP's got their messages mixed my understanding is that phase 1 will be complete in 2010 (in theory), but this isn't the phase that will come to denmark (which is phase 2 (timing to be confirmed so be prepared for a long wait))

barrymarshall Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Acutally, MP, AB1s have a strict over-21s policy, > meaning they attract a substantially older crowd. > Last year, I was asked for ID in one, and I'd only > gone in there one afternoon for a coffee (I was > 27). and at the other end of the scale - i was turned away with a baby at lunchtime when trying to get some food, so that should please some

gotta say that i think that chasing people the wrong way up one way streets is pretty dangerous - couldn't you just have taken his number plate?

i'm with hogan on this - if i go to watch football in a pub i want to hear commentary too i therefore will not be watching football in the montpelier - hogan try the wishing well instead is my advice

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > pk Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > .. and if > > you establish yourself as a regular they'll > always > > serve you first when it's busy > > That sounds fair. A warm welcome for non-regulars > then. it's not about not welcoming the non-regulars, rather it's about knowing who your regulars are as they have consistent and very competent bar staff and looking after them particularly well

Barry Rhode Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I enjoyed an early Sunday drink in the Wishing Well - nice > boozer. > > i used to live round the corner and the Wishing Well was my local - it's a great proper pub for all those bemoaning their disappearance. and if you establish yourself as a regular they'll always serve you first when it's busy

seanmlow Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Pk - > > Please don't use my comments as a way of > suggesting racism - very offensive and narrow > minded indeed. > > As I am sure anyone else on this thread can > understand, I was suggesting one keep their eyes > peeled for ANY groups looking suspicious - black, > white, yellow, green, blue, male or female! not suggesting racism, just that it doesn't seem that these girls are the same girls as those involved in the instance on north cross road - (which it does seem that you and others on the thread were suggesting)

seanmlow Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I am really glad this thread has been started. > > These three girls seem to be causing a great deal > of trouble in ED and I think it is really > important we all keep our eyes peeled. > > there's nothing to suggest that they were the same girls - this was three girls, one black two asians, the other group was four black - so one in common at most, based on the fact that she was a girl and black so what are we keeping our eyes peeled for - black and asian girls? blue - i am very sorry that this incident occurred, i hope that you do not have to suffer any similar misfortune in the future

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > pk Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > why is that silly? > > > > if the market doesn't offer what you want why > not > > put it together yourself and if you're not > alone > > fill that gap in the market and fill your boots > > > Yes, what a great idea. If there's no pub which > ticks all your boxes, open one yourself. or if you're not prepared to then accept what others offer

it is an unfortunate truth that not all kids (or any kids) are good all the time, and sometimes it is hard for parents to know when their child is going to be 'badly behaved'

Cassius Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I didn't say children shouldn't be out, I said it > would be nice if SOME pubs provided an AREA where > there are no kids. I am fed up with trying to eat > a Sunday lunch with the fear that the small boy > who thinks he is an aeroplane colliding into me > and the open bottle of red wine on the table. > > Incidentally does anyone know when the licensing > laws changed, I am sure you used to have to be at > least 14 to go into a pub in the old days and that > was only if eating a meal.... or have the mists of > time impared my memory and the thread suggests that there are such pubs oh and The licensee has overall discretion over whom he or she allows into the pub. The Licensing Act 2003 swept away the vast majority of restrictions on allowing children in pubs. Each pub now has a unique set of conditions on the licence which sets out how the pub operates. Generally speaking, children are allowed to enter a pub unless it has a particular licence condition which says children are not to be permitted.

salsie - they can - every evening in pretty much every pub and every day in many pubs if you want to play with principles then why should people not be able to enjoy a drink with their children without intolerant others moaning about it?

of course it's not illegal, just intolerant - as pointed out it's not at all hard to avoid other people's children what i said in my first post was that i don't get the intolerance - and i don't

why is that silly? if the market doesn't offer what you want why not put it together yourself and if you're not alone fill that gap in the market and fill your boots

i don't bother responding to most of this stuff, but i can't believe how much people go on about kids - what is the problem? it's not exactly as you want it? but what is? as pointed out on this thread there are many places that are child free or very nearly - but if that ain't enough for you why not open your own place and have whatever rules you want?