keano77

You?re on dodgy ground about referendums Sephiroth given Ireland?s form in voting twice on the Nice and Lisbon treaties

Interesting...

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "I might as well say in 10 years time Remainers on > the edf will be shaking uncleglen?s hand and > thanking him and fellow leavers for liberating > them and giving them and their children a > brilliant future." > > sure keano - I'm sure you can find vast majority > of experts to back up a strawman argument like > that > > robbin - reduced to picking up typos from a phone > posting. Oh dear. Obviously you are correct about > the spelling and the use of periods. But to what > end? > > Joe - I don't think I said you were insulting? I > certainly didn't mean to. As I said, I'm in broad > agreement with you. But your points on the Irish > border only underline keano and robbin's behaviour > - there is nothing you can say that won't be > dismissed by them and people like them. Government > impact reports, border experts, economists that > aren't Minford - none of them mean a damned thing > > They (robbin and keano) are dangerous quacks, and > trying to find common ground with them is futile. > They have their heads down and will do and say > anything to see this through. Even if they did > vote remain. The notion that somehow, if only I > was nicer, reached out more, didn't poke fun at > them or typed my sentences more carefully would in > any way elicit a more genuine response is for the > birds. Mention Ireland before the referendum? Gets > glossed over. Mention anything else that's about > to happen and be catastrophic after March 2019? > Get dismissed as "not factual" > > But they are only 2 examples of why this country > is so banjaxed and is happy to take others down > with it > > But when it all comes crashing down I can hear > robbin's words of apology - and now helpful > spelling and syntax critique as well - to comfort > myself with Oh dear...

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Here in 2019, we know more - so anyone who is still, > yknow, shruggy, about the consequences of > leaving, instead of saying ?this is madness. Press > pause. Rethink? is simply not to be trusted > > Maybe they aren?t all racists, stupid or naive. > But they are still wreckless and wrong > > Britain will be worse off. And will have > endangered lives. Simple solution is to not do > it. Every serious problem solved With the exception of 2019, there?s not one fact contained in that. I might as well say in 10 years time Remainers on the edf will be shaking uncleglen?s hand and thanking him and fellow leavers for liberating them and giving them and their children a brilliant future.

Dear oh dear you are defensive Sephiroth. And you have a tendency to put words into my mouth. There is a paradox with the EU position at the moment. If there is a no-deal the EU requires the Irish Republic to erect a border. Up to now it?s been presented by the EU as Britain?s problem. If there?s a no-deal EU rules require a border to protect its (customs) integrity. It becomes the EU?s (particularly the Irish Republic?s) problem. There will probably be a last minute fudge of a deal full of Woolley wording and ambiguity kicking the can down the road but if there isn?t there will be a choice for the EU between its economic integrity or the peace process. The backstop as it stands is unacceptable, technocrats cannot insist on constitutional changes in sovereign countries to protect tariffs.

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > given the number of people happy saying things > like "ireland is just a pawn", you'll forgive me > if I don't believe any of those people saying they > have Ireland's interests at heart > > And that's the nicest thing leave-leaning English > people say - it's usually much more insulting and > often racist than that > > figure out where the border is and show a bit of > respect before you claim to have our interests at > heart > https://www.thejournal.ie/brexit-ireland-border-2- > 3721935-Nov2017/ You may not be totally objective on this point Sephiroth

I?m sure we both agree Jenny1 that we want the best for the UK and Ireland, we just disagree how best to achieve that.

Jenny1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > keano77 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > It?s a bit like the scene from the Good (UK), > the > > Bad (EU) and the Ugly (EU again) > > > > Trigger fingers getting itchy, who?s going to > draw > > first. > > Sorry Keano77. What do you mean? On the face of it > your jokey statement looks like the very > definition of the 'zero sum' view of international > relations that got us into this mess in the first > place. You seem to be implying that the EU's > attempts to preserve peace in Northern Ireland are > some kind of dastardly plot, and that good old > Blighty shouldn't let them get away with it. But I > don't think you can mean that really, can you? In my opinion Jenny1 it?s got bugger all to do with the peace process. Ireland has been used as a pawn in this process all along. The reason people like Tusk are starting to crack under the pressure is because ponzi schemes like the EU need to keep money flowing in or they collapse. Tusk et al are looking over the precipice. If they keep to their ideological stance no-deal will ensue, the EU will be forced to impose a border ironically and the EU loses squillions from Britain. The EU is playing a dangerous game and if May is humiliated again at her visit to Brussels on Thursday there will be huge support from the British people to just walk away. Hope that?s answered your question.

It?s a bit like the scene from the Good (UK), the Bad (EU) and the Ugly (EU again) Trigger fingers getting itchy, who?s going to draw first.

intexasatthe moment Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "But now you need to turn right in front of the > Horniman towards Forest Hill." > > when you say turn right in front of the Horniman > are you talking about traffic coming down Sydenham > Rise ? Sydenham Hill joins the main road well > before the Horniman if I recall . I mean Sydenham Hill, turning right by the Horniman Play Park towards the Horniman museum. It?s a tight right-hand turn because of the road layout and traffic lights.

Fair enough Siduhe, no excuse then

I think you are both right. Yes to have to turn left normally. But now you need to turn right in front of the Horniman towards Forest Hill. But the road layout means it?s difficult to turn right which probably explains why the articulated lorry mentioned above had to turn left and do a three point turn.

Query: how would driverless cars, which are supposed to be on our roads within a year, know that roads have been shut at short notice for emergency repairs, accidents or even Southwark school road closure days?

Sephiroth said ?...But I?m saying - In flat contradiction of Robbin - that the country is on the brink of total disaster and meltdown...? Steady on Sephiroth, I think you need to keep a sense of proportion here.

As a famous French person once said ?Let them eat cake? (not Barnier and his ilk obviously) (Well Austrian by birth)

JohnL said ?...If perhaps the EU could just organise a passport for those of us that wanted dual nationality but had no connections to do so it would solve things for us.? I?m sure if you volunteer for the proposed EU army they?d give you a right of residency at least.

James Barber said: ... Goose Green Primary School seems another good candidate. Each has one road so relatively straight forward and I had concerned residents and parental casework... Isn?t Goose Green Primary the one near Goose Green Roundabout/Bellingham Road. Where is its main entrance, Tintagel Rd?

Project fear 1 million and 10-ish. Tomorrow?s The Sunday Times talking about plans to evacuate the Queen and other Royals in the event of a no-deal. Please, give us a rest

I suspect Juncker meant Ireland?s border marks a border within which The EU treaties operate. The EU is an organisation of member states, not a state in itself. Note the recent demotion of its diplomats by Trumps? team much to the EU?s displeasure

Jean Claude Juncker, talking about the backstop, said: ?...Ireland?s border is Europe?s border...? Potential can of worms there surely. Since when has the EU been a transnational state?

An interesting piece here on the legal meaning of ?frustration? in leases ?...The High Court is being asked to decide whether Brexit triggers the rarely used legal doctrine of ?frustration? in the case of the European Medicines Agency (EMA) and its ?13m-a-year lease of premises at Canary Wharf, which runs until 2039, with no break clause...? https://www.egi.co.uk/news/canary-wharf-v-ema-brexit-lease-battle-begins/

TE44 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 900 jobs lost as EMA European Medical Agency > closes, relocates to Amsterdam. > > https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/p > olitics/2019/jan/26/european-medicines-agency-clos > es-london-office-with-loss-of-900-jobs-brexit > > While our government are busy trying to appear > like the have control action is being taken by the > EU. Amusingly, the EMA is trying to renege on its financial obligations ?The European Medicines Agency is preparing for a court battle with Canary Wharf, its landlord, this week as it fights to get out of a ?500 million office lease. The medicines regulator, which is being moved to Amsterdam after Brexit, argues that because Britain?s decision to leave the European Union was an unforeseen event, it should be able to exit the 25-year agreement it signed with Canary Wharf Group for ten floors of office space starting in 2014...? https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cma-lease-battle-puts-canary-wharf-on-brexit-alert-fbswwj5xp

I?m pleased to infer that marital bliss prevails in the Medic household. Some useful tips above with the implied need to cost in re-routing plumbing and additional wiring for lighting and sockets etc plus the obvious (dividing) wall. A mate of mine, Donald, has had thousands of quotes for erecting a wall, some of them rather expensive. Give me a shout if you?d like me to put you in touch with him.

If this is a divorce matter I?d recommend a chainsaw. You could hire one for about ?100 a day.

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have yet to come across anyone who voted leave > who has a good reason for doing so. Because they won?t give us gateau and strudel and let us eat it