keano77

Around 28,000 people work at the Belgium port of Zeebrugge Jenny, one of Europe?s biggest ports. I think you?ll find Belgian politicians are putting pressure on the Commission to get a deal as one very simple example. Don?t be taken in by EU PR about unity of the 27. Word is, like rats fighting in a sack

Isn?t the use of the word ?Gammons? potentially offensive to Muslins (as well as Jews) given its porcine origins? Get a life. It?s the silly season for news and this matter has been hijacked for all sorts of reasons.

JoeLeg Wrote > The big question is what will the EU do? Who cares? The EU is about to implode. Italian banks bust. Greece needs another bail-out. Merkel is history and Schengen disintegrating. Macron (the Sun King) humiliated by Trump and hated by his people etc What drugs are you remainders on?

I don?t understand why they don?t use Dulwich hospital with all the empty rooms. They could deal with 10 times more people than St Faiths, for example, using those reclinable seats.

More Boris I?m afraid Seabag, with a bit of fake news and Russian influence thrown in. I?m sure it was a lovely train and the desayuno was delicious

Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And like many of the Pro Brexit brigade he?s full > of guff > > If you can be bothered go and read his ?for sale? > posts of old. They make Nicholas Parsons sound > like a ?man of few words?. Ah Seabag, what a pleasure. Still bumming free breakfasts while travelling third class on Spanish trains?

JoeLeg: a nice generalisation there. ?Kiss goodbye to the NHS in any reasonable form? The NHS needs top to bottom reform. Some extreme examples: 1. Smokers/drinkers. Bad Lifestyle choice don?t treat them. Understandable until you add up the taxes that they have paid that have helped train NHS doctors and staff. 2. Healthy lifestyles. You choose to jog. Your hibs, knees, ankles. boobs suffer. Your choice. Why should NHS treat you for free? 3. One goes to, say, Prague, for a holiday and boob job. Complications. Why should NHS treat you for free? 4. An individual is confused over gender, was born with a witch?s nose, cross-eyed etc. Why should NHS treat you for free? 5. Unproven homeopathic nonsense. Politicians are too frightened to grasp the nettle on flagrant waste of limited resources. Edcam: You appear to be worried that if ?the people? have their say you will find that the majority do not hold your views. There is a reason why, unlike the Republic of Ireland, the British people were not given the chance to vote on gay marriage. The politicians knew it would not pass.

I would presume that any final deal will be a hard fought compromise agreed by both Britain and the EU on the basis it stands a good chance of being passed by our parliament and all 27 EU parliaments and their regional ones, regardless of how unsatisfactory or unpalatable it is to Brexiters or Remainers. If a ?People?s vote? then rejects it you might have voted for a hard Brexit

Well Gary the Snail in SpongeBob SquarePants can make (mammal) meow sounds

I accidentally trod on a snail on my path the other day. I didn?t kill it but broke its shell and squashed it a bit. It can certainly be said to have suffered trauma in the physical sense and its demise probably wasn?t far away. I doubt however it experienced psychological trauma and considered going to the snail equivalent of Switzerland to end it all given its life changing injuries.

Agreed Rendel. It?s the use of the word trauma in a psychological sense that amused me. Humans shout at dogs every day, dogs bark and fight other dogs, dogs chase cats, cats fight other cats and chase and kill mice and birds, birds eat worms and insects, insects eat other insects, big fish eat smaller fish. If we?re using such words out of context in a sloppy manner then the whole animal and insect kingdom must be having a psychological traumatic meltdown.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > keano77 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > The bit about the dogs returned home > traumatised > > amused me. > > Glad you found it so funny. Dogs do suffer trauma > and it's pitiful to see, I once had a Battersea > dog that had belonged to an elderly couple who had > beaten her with their sticks, she would cringe and > whimper whenever she was near an old person with a > stick. The fact that these persons who presumably > style themselves as dog lovers saw fit to be > aggressive towards someone else's dog was, I > thought, the most unpleasant part of the whole > distasteful episode. Still, as long as it gave > you a chuckle. anthropomorphism Rendel - ascribing human concepts and notions to animals etc. I suspect the OP?s dogs were doing what dogs do seconds after being shouted at with no ill effects. Why you choose to believe the dogs suffered some adverse psychological episode is beyond me. (PS off topic but loved your hypocrisy about not accepting the results of democratic votes against uncleglen on councillors thread)

The bit about the dogs returned home traumatised amused me. Cue quacks offering doggie counselling services

I agree Sue. The foundations for the wall ought to have been signed off by both parties, architect, builder, council, etc before the wall was ever built. Over the years I?ve read about neighbours going to war over a few square feet with the losing party having to sell the property to pay lawyers fees, much to the consternation of the judges who ask how did the case get to that point.

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's a load of bollocks. We are talking 4cm. The > poor guy seems to have gone out of his way to try > to resolve things, and the neighbour has refused > mediation. > > Having been involved in a disagreement with a > "builder" who also refused mediation, I have every > sympathy. > > Why would somebody who thought they were in the > right refuse mediation? It?s not quite that simple Sue, as JoeLeg points out above. Although the photos don?t show any obvious transgression, if the lady is correct about the 4cms it?s a serious trespass. Assume the extension is 8 metres long by 4 metres high = 320,000 cms x a depth of 4cms = a sizeable volume of space has been appropriated from your property. Secondly, how will the owner maintain the wall without coming onto her property? - potential access issues here for her and any successors. Bread and butter work for property lawyers

Happy New Year Rendel, I've enjoyed our jousting. Who knows what 2018 holds? A global financial crisis, the collapse of Bitcoin, an internet cyber meltdown, another election ... One thing's for certain, more fun and games with the EU.

JoeLeg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > keano77 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > > Don't be fooled. This is part of the Remainer > > counter revolution and Lord Adonis is a patsy > in > > the greater scheme of things. > > > Look Keano, you just have to accept that the same > democracy you and I live in which allowed you to > win the referendum allows others to mount just > such a counter-offensive, if that's what this is. > > I find the idea that the 48% are supposed to > meekly roll over to be deeply uncomfortable, > smacking as it does of nasty little one-party > politics in a third world dictatorship. > > The 52% have spent 40 years pursuing their goal, > no one told them they couldn't, so you don't get > to tell others they can't fight for what they > want. > > Democracy, innit bruv? > > (Moreover, if you genuinely think there's actually > any liklehood of the referendum being over turned > or Brexit not happening then I'll have some of > what you're having! Happy New Year!) JoeLeg, you are one of the more sensible people who post on here and I agree with much of what you say. However I think this 52% to 48% nonsense. All this talk of how close the vote was is nonsense. If leavers (or remainers) had won by one more vote that was the result. That's democracy. unfortunalely many posters on this thread do not understand this. Maybe it's the age of social media etc or silly ideas such as proportional representation or alternative votes that people think they can change their mind or hedge their bets. Look at the plight of Angela Merkel. Formerly the most powerful woman politician in the world. Now, no more important at this time than a bingo caller. None of my business, that's the German constitution and a matter for the German people. Everybody on this thread wants the best for Britain. We just disagree as to the right path. I've stated this at the beginning of this thread. A country that can't make it's own laws and can't make it's own rules is not a country. A soft Brexit means kowtowing to the EU, accepting its rules and being told what to do. The Italians, and probably other languages, make use of the diminutive - i.e, just call us Britaino This doesn't seem to bother younger members of this debate who seem, naively in my opinion, to surrender sovereignty to some silly idea of a global world, a global community, as if Mr Chen from Hunan province gives two damns whether you can afford your mortgage or not because you don't give a damn if his house is razed to build a new motorway. There is no such thing as a global community no matter what Facebook etc like to pretend. Just individuals trying to make their way in life. Anyway, I'm babbling JoeLeg. We've got another 15 months of this Brexit malarkey and I need to make a New Year's resolution to keep away from this thread. It only makes me cross.

Wake up and small the coffee Rendel. Lord Adonis knows exactly what he's doing. He's had private meetings with Barnier et al. Why resign now? He gladly took the money for his position. Resigned on a point of principle my arse. Can you name one innovative project he was responsible for? His resignation letter pretends he had some influence oveR HS2, Crossrail, 4g and 5g. I suspect when I talk to my contacts in such fields they will tell me he was a grossly overpaid pen pusher. I might be wrong - I was once.

Never eaten in Nando's myself and hope I never will. My teenage daughter and her friends however love it. Good brand moving to Peckham. I await gentifications objections.

Interesting Rendel. However why is he now acting traitor-like? Asking that Chris Graling resign - knowing how weak May is? Don't be fooled. This is part of the Remainer counter revolution and Lord Adonis is a patsy in the greater scheme of things.

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But referendums are not finite. They can be and > often are repeated. What we have is a referendum > so won by the skin of the teeth that the victors > are terrified of losing a second one and are > desperately clinging on tooth and nail. It has > nothing to do with democratic will. Democracy > allows us to change our minds. A second referendum will only settle matters if the leavers win it again. If remainers win it things will be more divided than ever. It would be 1-1 so to speak so we'd need a third and final referendum. Brenda from Bristol would be at the end of her tether.

The adjective is justified in this case. There are times when you have to call a spade a spade. Lord Adonis has made an ass of himself and any right-minded Remainers should be squirming with embarrassment that he is damaging their cause. He's a Blair crony who has got to where he is through patronage. The fact he's never been elected probably explains his contempt for democracy - a nationalist spasm is how he describes a result he refuses to accept. See Martine Croxall's interview with him on the BBC News channel. He looked like a swivel-eyed loon. Instead of using his position to help bring the country together he has deliberately sought to sow discord and division in the couple of weeks before the country starts the second round of very difficult negotiations. He trots out the same old guff about our children having to sort out this mess yet he was instrumental in opening the way on tuition fees that have resulted in a whole generation of young adults being enslaved by debt before they start out in life. As the government's infrastructure tsar Lord Adonis had a golden opportunity to make a name for himself for all the right reasons. Freed from the EU Britain can create a golden future fit for the 21st century. Where are the big infrastructure ideas Lord Adonis? Elon Musk is developing the hyperloop and transpod tube system. Jeff Bezos and others are building rockets aiming for the stars and mining asteroids. The Chinese are building smart motorways that will defrost themselves and recharge cars as they drive. Under Lord Adonis we'd be lucky to get a few potholes filled. Instead of nipping over to Brussels to prostrate himself and pledge fealty to 'my liege' like some feudal vassal, Lord Adonis should have kept his gob shut and got on with his job. Good riddance.

Lord Andrew Adonis quits. Good riddance traitor Ps Happy New Year all

I gave you a chance Rendel, could you think of any reason etc

Before I answer your question Rendel let me correct you before somebody accuses you of trying to put words into my mouth. I have not said I think breast feeding in public is inappropriate, inconsiderate and selfish. I've said it can be. There is a time and a place for everything. Now I asked a simple question above, a thought experiment to make it sound grand. Basically on my example could anybody think of any reason why a person might complain and it would be reasonable to do so. There is no right answer and no wrong answer. It stumped jacks09. He or she couldn't think of a justification for the complaint. You Rendel have avoided it. So, to answer your question "...what is it that you find so objectionable about a woman breastfeeding in public? " I don't in general but can see why it might be objectionable, inappropriate, undesirable etc in certain circumstances I object to the over-simplification that's it's legal so people have a right to do it anytime anywhere they see fit and if you don't like it you can lump it, leave, avert your eyes. I'm under no obligation to be considerate or to assess the immediate surroundings and act accordingly. Now, I don't think babies and very young toddlers have evolved that much since my children were young. Feeding our children was a nightmare (both breast initially then bottle-feed). They would feed, then get wind and need burping and disgorge sick which would part empty their tummies and make them hungry again. It was a constant round of patting backs and rubbing tummies and rocking them back and forth to burp them. A bib mopped up sick, became sodden, bib two came into play and even a small hand towel. Then, if we were lucky there would be a short respite of an hour or two before the process was repeated. As I say, unless children have evolved, I'm surprised (not really) that nobody above has mentioned such a basic (inconvenient) fact of life. Okay, so let's go back to Claridges for example. It's a posh place and many a wealthy person graces it with their presence. It's also the type of place though where people book months in advance and part with their hard-earned money for a special treat of high tea. Call me old-fashioned but I can see why somebody might not be happy that a baby is being fed, winded, de-sicked, fed, winded, de-sicked ad nauseam (pun intended jacks09) while they are trying to eat dainty sandwiches and freshly baked cakes and pastries. It's not as simple as just averting one's eyes in a packed salon or dining room with all the commotion going on. Why should the person who complains be treated like some devil with horns? Rhetorical question, I don't expect any sensible answers. I'm surprised so many people above claim complete incomprehension at anyone who might complain