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Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Morning in the life of a Brexiteer > > 09.28 Signs off thread as got to help build a > better Britain > 09.49 Posts on EDF > 10.07 Ditto > 10.30 Ditto > 10.40 Ditto > 11.22 Ditto > 11.26 Ditto > 11.42 Ditto > 11.44 Ditto > 13.12 Lunch > > It's going to take a while this better Britain I > think........ 🙂 Couldn't do me a favour could you please Alan as you seem to have time on your hands and attention to detail. My banana sandwich didn't taste of, how do I put it?, banana. Pretty tasteless overall. Would you mind reading the EU banana regulations posted above to see if the bureaucrats included the necessary condition that a banana should taste of banana. It's all very well fretting about shape but if a banana doesn't taste of banana questions need to asked what are we paying these people for? I'd do it myself but I'm busy

Sorry DulwichLondoner I'm taking a lunch break. In fact, I'm having a banana sandwich and a cup of tea. The banana looks a bit like this but less curved, straighter 🍌 Possibly a class 2 judging by the EU guidelines posted above?

Big world out there Rendel

titch juicy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bloody EU criminals coming over here stealing > crime from our good honest hardworking British > criminals. > > Also, quoting from the Daily Mail and Daily > Record. If finding credible sources is so easy, > why haven't you bothered? ???????

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > keano77 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > The second part wasn't relevant to titch's > > question of EU impositions so I chose a > specific > > example from the many freely available to > people > > if they are not too lazy to do some research > for > > themselves > > Ah, so you chose the specific example saying that > EU regulation costs us ?33BN but chose to leave > off the very next sentence which says it benefits > us by ?59BN because it wasn't relevant. I see. > > > It's not ?26 Billion titch, you've overlooked > our membership fee. > > Take that into account and we've hardly got > enough out of it to pay for a round of drinks > > In 2016 our EU membership fee was a net (i.e. > after rebate) ?13.1BN. I don't know what boozer > you drink in but even in East Dulwich ?13BN still > buys quite a sizeable round. The bigger picture Rendel is that figure could be ten times greater or more if we strike a trade deal with the EU and then are free to make our own trade deals with the rest of the world. Yes, the status quo is safe, we're chugging along, but we could be booming

Really DulwichLondoner this is becoming tiresome. The following took me about 2 seconds to find. Revealed: Lithuanian mobsters behind human trafficking gangs organising slaves to shoplift from Scottish stores http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/crime/revealed-lithuanian-mobsters-behind-human-4177985 Albanian drug dealers are now a major threat, say police: Warning organised crime gangs now have 'high-level influence' on supplying cocaine around the UK http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4652264/Albanian-drug-dealers-major-threat-say-police.html I realise Albania is not a member of the EU yet but is one of seven countries (plus Kosovo) on the EU membership enlargement list. I'm not trying to pick on any ethnic group nor suggesting EU criminals are worse than any other criminals. I'm simply saying the safeguards you've previously alluded to are imperfect Now, if you can't be bothered to make an effort to do a couple of simple searches then please stop wasting my time on this issue

It's not ?26 Billion titch, you've overlooked our membership fee. Take that into account and we've hardly got enough out of it to pay for a round of drinks

The second part wasn't relevant to titch's question of EU impositions so I chose a specific example from the many freely available to people if they are not too lazy to do some research for themselves Edited to add you need to subtract our annual membership fee from the benefits you quote Rendel

titch juicy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Keano > > You've been asked over and over and over and over > again about ECJ/EU impositions on us, and the ONLY > things you've come back with are apples and > bananas. > > God save us all from the evil EU. Titch, from the article posted by Alan above as a simple example Membership of the EU, especially its single market, brings with it many rules. Some are ill-judged, uncosted and not subject to cost-benefit analysis. The working-time directive was a needless intrusion into an issue better decided at national level. And regulation imposes costs. Open Europe, a London-based think-tank, using official figures, says the annual cost to the economy of the EU?s 100 most expensive rules is ?33 billion ($49 billion) a year. Really, I can't keep holding everyone's hands through this, you really need to put some effort in yourself - try reputable sources on Google

Rendel said So you regard 48% of the electorate as idiots, basically I have never said that or implied it. You have chosen to interpret my words that way

Loz, Rendel, Alan Medic Loz, given the hour of your post you cannot have been expected to appreciate the irony of my mention of bananas given that DulwichLondoner raised the subject in an earlier reply to me above. Anyway, you might be delighted to learn that Commission regulation 2257/94 decreed that bananas in general should be ?free from malformation or abnormal curvature?. Those sold as ?extra class? must be perfect, ?class 1? can have ?slight defects of shape? and ?class 2? can have full-scale ?defects of shape?. In short, bananas should be preferably straightish, shouldn't be too curvy but can be bendy. I've no idea what Jazz apples are. Do they play a tune? No doubt they fall under the grading of Apples in accordance with Commission Implementing Regulation (EU) No 543/2011 of 7 June 2011, laying down detailed rules for the application of Council Regulation (EC) No 1234/2007. I wonder how many months of meetings, free lunches washed down with bottles of vintage wines from Juncker's wine cellars these intellectual feats took. No doubt the costs will be buried in the fine detail and added to our Brexit Divorce Deal settlement. Rendel, I see from your post you were up with the larks. You have an amusing tendency to try and put words into my mouth but the early hour might explain that. FYI, If you use the current definition of a Blue Moon as the second of two full moons in a single calendar month (rather than the older definition of the third of four full moons in a single season) The next one is due on January 31, 2018 (despite Brexit as the BBC is fond of saying). Can't promise it will have a blue tinge as that depends on particular atmospheric conditions. So sorry Rendel, I think you dreamt of that moon last night. Unfortunately I can't find any EU Directives or Regulations on Blue Moons, or Larks for that matter, but no doubt they are works (working party) in progress. Alan Medic Thanks for posting that link but it's a bit of a non article if you know what I mean. The heading is 'Yes, we have no straight bananas' but curiously only mentions bananas in passing. See my info to Loz above which may be more helpful. Anyway lads, sorry I can't stop to play, duty calls to help build a better Britain for all

DulwichLondoner My advice to you to be wary of Gina Miller's campaign to ensure Parliament had a say is because there are ulterior motives behind it. Don't be fooled. It's an attempt to get Parliament to water down Brexit. Don't forget she's an investment manager, worried about how Brexit will hit her in the pocket perhaps? Re the ECJ. It has the power to overrule the British Parliament. Therefore, the British Parliament is not supreme while we are in the EU (plus it forced straight bananas and tasteless French Golden 'Delicious' on us). Scum bags. You are well aware that some bad people from Europe have turned up here. You're correct we should have stopped then entering but some have slipped through. Only last week a Couple of baddies were stopped on the French side of the Channel Tunnel trying to smuggle 79 hand guns into Britain. One was a Czech lad living in the UK, the other a Pole. There are plenty of other examples if you'd care to search google you can refresh your memory. (And before you say it, yes there are plenty of other non-EU nationals who are gangsters, drug dealers, people smugglers etc)

People are entitled to campaign as much as they like, no matter how misguided. It's healthy for a democracy I see the flat earthers now have a discussion group on Facebook. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3984980/flat-earthers-rapper-b-o-b-tila-tequila-world-sphere-nasa/ Your UN ICJ point raises big questions of sovereignty, international cooperation etc and would merit a separate discussion. It would only put the few people still reading this thread to sleep to pursue it now.

Rendel I advised caution on the true motives of Gina Miller and her supporters because DulwichLondoner asked whether her court case was about taking back sovereignty. If Gina was really concerned about the supremacy of parliamentary democracy she would have voted leave. I'm not bothered about the UN or ICJ. They both deal with Sovereign states who defer to them and consent to their arbitration. There's nothing wrong with a sovereign state cooperating with others in treaties and laws that benefit all parties We pooled our sovereignty with other EU members and agreed to treaties and rules of membership. However the EU has morphed from an entity based around economic cooperation for mutual benefit into a polical supra-national entity which will need further integration and a degree of federalism to survive future challenges. It's not what people signed up for in 1975.

DL. Thanks for explaining the 60% point, although irrelevant to the rules on which the referendum was carried out. Immigration. Nobody knows what the future system will be. Remember, while in the EU we can't decide such matters for ourselves (see Sovereignty below) Lies. You seem to be very selective about pre-vote lies. Personally I never believed the NHS bus nonsense. The only people who appear to have done so are remainers who never seem to stop bleating on about it. Allow me to jog your memory of 'warnings' (let's be generous) from Osborne and Cameron in league with the EU and a US President being press-ganged into support. Strangely the sun came up the morning after the vote, even if the dawn chorus was drowned out by Anna Soubry wailing and bawling all day. Sovereignty. I'll give you a clue - the ECJ. Democracy. Don't be fooled by Gina Miller and her like. Dark forces are at work there Rendelharris Personally I expected the Remain camp to win. I thought with all the 'warnings' of Armageddon people would err on the side of caution. Fortunately the British people are braver than I hoped. If Remain had won I would have accepted the vote as I believe in democracy. I would have shrugged my shoulders and thought to myself 'don't come crying to me if it all goes pear-shaped'

DulwichLondoner said: "... The vote was effectively on the status quo vs total uncertainty... " I think you're right. It certainly applies to me. As I've stated before I voted leave on the principle of sovereignty. A country that can't make its own laws and can be told what to do by another body isn't a sovereign state. Simple. Am I worried about Brexit? Yes. I'm not sure we have the people in place to stand up to Europe and to set conditions in place to unleash the entrepreneurial potential of the British people. My faith in democracy has also been shaken to the core by the bitter backlash of some remainers who don't seem able to accept the result of a referendum they participated in.

You raise a number of points there DulwichLondoner I'm not an expert in immigration matters and no doubt there will always be (unjust) anomalies. However, it can't be too difficult to decide what our immigration needs are (see JoeLegs' post above of the problems in the hospitality industry). Loz will be able to speak with more authority on this, but Australia has operated a strict immigration policy for a good many years. When I lived there (admittedly a good few years ago now) pastry chefs were in great demand for example, yet if you were a nurse or worked in the financial industry you weren't required thank you very much as Australia had plenty of qualified people of their own. (FYI, Jackeroos and Jilleroos were also quite sought after). I really don't need to elaborate on my scum of Europe point. Read the papers and heed police warnings. Don't forget, a good number of EU countries had compulsory national service until recently, if not now. Conscripts were trained in using firearms. The bad hombres as my mate Trump puts it are mean dudes. Sorry, edited to add I don't understand your last point about the 60% requirement in elections. What elections?

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > keano77 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > No one said freedom is an easy path to follow > and > > we might be in for a rough ride for a while. > It's > > quite possible many EU countries will thank > > Britain for helping to liberate them in years > to > > come. > > Calm down Churchill, this isn't 1940, however much > some of the rhetoric would have us believe it is. ✌️

JoeLeg, it's a pleasure to sword fence with a rational remainer. I'm more used to the wailing and gnashing of teeth of remainers shrieking 'Project Economic Suicide' No one said freedom is an easy path to follow and we might be in for a rough ride for a while. It's quite possible many EU countries will thank Britain for helping to liberate them in years to come.

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Johnson isn't keeping quiet. He's told the EU > they can "Go Whistle" for their divorce > settlement > > https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/07/boris-johnso > n-tells-the-eu-to-go-whistle-on-brexit-divorce-bil > l/# EU officials plan ?50,000 staff party with 700 bottles of wine "European Union officials are looking forward to a massive eight-hour end of year party, which will boast 700 bottles of wine and a dinner with 26 different dishes at a cost of up to ?48,600. ... The bill will be paid from the council budget, which is money from EU member states including Britain..." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/11/eu-officials-plan-50000-staff-party-700-bottles-wine/ Quite right Boris

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > keano77 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > No really Loz, I don't think Britain is ready > for > > such an innovative solution. > > Does it involve Elves?... No, but I'm tempted to incorporate that idea Red Devil, thanks

On the whole JoeLeg I agree with most of that. 1. Yes many menial low paid jobs are done by non-British people. There should be an open debate on this, people and politicians are too frightened to address it. Dole and housing benefit play a big part for Brits. I'm unemployed with rent paid etc. If I work in an old people's home, pick peas in Lincolnshire, fruit in Kent I lose some benefits, not worth my time. You don't hear the tories, Labour or other parties talking about this, too scared, no votes in it. It's not the EU's fault we have this situation and that many EU migrants fill these positions. 2. Your second point. Similar to above. However, foreigners will work for less pay and employers certainly will pay the minimum they can get away with and to hell with tax payers who pay for tax credits. Tax payers should not be required to subsidise companies paying low pay (see scandalous gig economy scams here). None of this is he EU's fault with the exception that the southern countries of the EU cannot provide jobs for their own people because Germany has them over a barrel repaying debts to German banks. People from poorer EU countries will migrate here for low wages which are actually higher than they can earn in their own countries. 3. Your third point wanders about a bit. However, I agree that a good number of Brexiteers see immigration as a very serious problem which I think is unfair. What must not be forgotten though is many parts of Britain are suffering. No jobs. High streets with shops closing being filled with charity shops. Libraries closing and so on. The EU got the blame for much of this in the Referendum quite unfairly. The point was people voted for change. The roots of this may go back before the Thatcher years but in areas where the coal pits and factories closed, for example, nothing replaced them. The Blair/Brown years and Cameron/Osborne regime changed nothing. Remaining in the EU, as it is currently configured will change nothing. Germany is booming but nearly everyone else is chugging along. Spain, Italy, Portugal Greece and Cyprus are in intensive care. Migration from Africa will get worse. The EU needs to integrate more to survive, co-ordinate taxes, create an army. Brexit is the only rational course

I don't see the problem JoeLeg. I'm not anti-immigration but would prefer controlled/selective immigration which we can't have while full members of the EU. You're rightly concerned about shortages in your area. No problem, under selective immigration let more people you need in but say no to hundreds of thousands of others with no beneficial skills that the EU insists we must let in. Some of the scum of Europe has been allowed onto to our shores, gangsters, drug dealers, people traffickers and so on. We don't need people like that.

No really Loz, I don't think Britain is ready for such an innovative solution.

That's up to people like you and me JoeLeg. The world is changing fast. If you've given up already and are a nervous wreck it doesn't bode well for when your job is replaced by a robot.