Charlotte Church

[WorkingMummy]

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/charlotte-church-best-response-nigel-11564132#ICID=FB-Wales-main

[uncleglen]

Well, she can always go and live there...the rest of the country can't wait to get shot of it- even Ebbw Vale - a town that received quite a lot of EU money as well.

Nid aur yw popeth melyn...

[WorkingMummy]

Definitely prefer her way with words to yours.

[rendelharris]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> Well, she can always go and live there...the rest

> of the country can't wait to get shot of it- even

> Ebbw Vale - a town that received quite a lot of EU

> money as well.

> Nid aur yw popeth melyn...

Ms.Church does, in fact, live in the Vale of Glamorgan.

[Jules-and-Boo]

why on Earth were you reading Wales on line?

[WorkingMummy]

I have old school friends who have "migrated" there. They posted it to Facebook.

[JohnL]

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> why on Earth were you reading Wales on line?

I read it .. but then I'm welsh

In Wales often referred to as The Fail (Western Mail) :)

[Loz]

When Charlotte Church was raking in money hand over fist, she was a complete Tory.

Now money is harder to come by, she's a full-on Corbynista.

[WorkingMummy]

Leave/Remain has nothing to do with left/right.

And she is right that he is a f67(ing s::t.

[Otta]

Loz Wrote:

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> When Charlotte Church was raking in money hand

> over fist, she was a complete Tory.

Was she? (not saying she wasn't, just genuinely interested, because she sys she and her family have always been Labour though and through, would be a bit silly if there was proof out there that she was tory at some point).

[uncleglen]

I meant she can always go and live in the EU area....as can most of the rich remainers whose comfortable little lives are totally unaffected by what's going on out of London

[Loz]

OK, 'complete Tory' is a bit harsh, but whilst she now calls for 70% tax rates, she previously used to complain about paying 40%.

When she was the guest host of the British news quiz show ?Have I Got News For You? in 2003, panelists Ian Hislop and Paul Merton asked Church whether she was really worth the ?16 million the press claimed she was.

?You read too many papers,? Church answered. ?It?s nowhere near as much as that! I have to pay 40 percent tax and everything.? Hislop sarcastically replied, ?Oh, you?re kidding!?

Church then expressed her disgust at having to pay such high taxes. ?I can?t vote!? the 17-year-old Church said. ?So why should I pay a government who I don?t necessarily support 40 percent??

Hislop replied: ?I think it?s to do with schools and hospitals and public services.?

The government at the time was, of course, Labour.

There's also been quite a few questions about the limited companies she keeps nearly ?4mn in.

[Robert Poste's Child]

Give the girl a break, she was 17! She's grown up and had children since then so has probably clarified her ideas a bit.

[rendelharris]

Robert Poste's Child Wrote:

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> Give the girl a break, she was 17! She's grown up

> and had children since then so has probably

> clarified her ideas a bit.

Yes, she's recently said she'd happily pay 70% income tax as noted above - and actually she had a point before anyway, she wasn't complaining about her tax rate as much as paying taxation without representation, which I seem to recall got some colonials quite exercised once upon a time.

[WorkingMummy]

Uncleglen, you need to educate yourself about the millions of dual nationality and/or European families who now face break-up or forced migration, and about the thousands of people whose jobs are going to move, who can't follow their jobs without an eU passport, before you use such vile, denigrating and harmful language.

[WorkingMummy]

..... I am really loathe to draw comparisons with 1930s Germany - because, it seems so disrespectful to the memory of those who were murdered in the holocaust - and we are by no means there - BUT, with the language being used on this forum by some, the term "rich remainers" included, with the racist tone of the whole debate, with the racist abuse my family has encountered in the last few days, with my family members scrabbling about to try and pass exams and pay fees and fill in forms, just to be good enough to continue to live here (where they were entitled and encouraged to build a life), with my own day mapped out today, to be spent searching though London and Irish records of births and marriages to establish my own Irish ethnicity in order to qualify for an Irish passport so that I can stay with my family if we have to move...... With all this, I am beginning to feel that I have a glimpse, a glimpse, of what it must have been like to have been a Jewish mother in fascist Berlin c 1931.

Congratulations. Great Britain. And uncleglen.

[WorkingMummy]

And by the way uncleglen I have relatives in Middlesborough and Wales. Me and my kids spent Easter in a semi with my younger sister and her children who live in Middleton-St George, Durham. I spent 4 years in Kettering as a teenager. And I have no wish to live in the continent I want to stay in my home where my children were born.

So take your stereotypes and !!!! Off.

[midivydale]

Thank you WM for articulating what thousands of us are going through at the moment.

[Blah Blah]

Charlotte Church voted for Plaid Cymru at the most recent elections, not Labour.

[Jessie]

Very well said, Working Mummy.

[Jeremy]

Robert Poste's Child Wrote:

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> Give the girl a break, she was 17!

Exactly this. I have more respect for someone who was self-centred at 17, but developed more rounded views as they matured.. than I would for a sixth-form socialist who turned Tory once they started earning in the top tax bracket.

[ I still find CC annoying, but that's beside the point here ]

[Lordship 516]

Hi WM

The following might help you with the records

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/ [this covers the 1911 census for the whole island including the six counties of Northern Ireland.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/family-and-local-history-records

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=2573

The Irish Dept of Foreign Affairs & Trade [Passport Office in London] don't care if you have other passports - if you have an entitlement to an Irish passport they will be very helpful to you to achieve that - I found them their attitude is welcoming & encouraging - almost like welcoming a long lost relative back home. However, at the moment they are swamped & it might take a bit of time to process all the new enquiries but they will get them done.

They also have a Passport Card that is very useful for use traveling within the EU/EEA & Switzerland.

[WorkingMummy]

516 - i am very, very grateful for your expressions of support - moral and practical. I am trying to get some work done today, but will order long form versions of my mums birth certificate and hopefully my grandparents marriage certificate from london registries today and hopefully go from there. I did search for my irish grandmother's birth record in Northern Ireland records last night and had no luck.

I will use these resources, thank you.