New Prime Minister and outlook - factual update

[Saffron]

Ah well, it's been said before but, good we got away from a bunch of self-serving unelected politicians with that Brexit thing....

[miga]

???? Wrote:

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> Why is everyone surprised?

I get what you're saying about realpolitik, and had similar thoughts.

People are surprised because one expectation was that he was about to hide until it all blew over.

[adonirum]

Jenny1 Wrote:

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> Loz Wrote:

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> > ...quite a few of the

> > Leavers were usually non-voters.

>

> This is a good point Loz. I remember hearing a man

> in his 50s/60s interviewed for a radio piece back

> near the beginning of the referendum campaign.

> He'd never voted in his life, but was going to

> vote 'Leave'. I felt at once depressed and very

> angry. My anger came from the fact that someone

> who had chosen to absent himself from public

> engagement for a lifetime should stir himself from

> his sofa only for this ill-conceived referendum.

> And depressed because I felt that it was precisely

> because of people like him that the 'Remain' cause

> would lose. But once it comes to a General

> Election these 'voters' will disappear again.

WOW!!! Can't believe such abject haughty arrogance towards others, Jenny1.

Not in your usual vein of well-balanced posts. Assume this was for effect and that you didn't really mean it.

[Jeremy]

muffins78 Wrote:

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> He jumped ship after the result

Not a fan of the man at all, but I don't get this "jumped ship" thing. He pulled out of the leadership race (because he was outmanoeuvred), but he's still an MP and senior cabinet minister.

[Jeremy]

adonirum Wrote:

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> Not in your usual vein of well-balanced posts.

There is a point in there though... perhaps the disenchanted and disengaged saw it as a chance to have their voices heard. It's not necessarily selfish, but very ill-judged...

[JohnL]

So When Theresa May said "I'll be setting economic policy for you" etc. I assume on everybody else's TV it said "I'll be setting economic policy for JohnL"

Brilliant, I look forward to this.

[adonirum]

The whole thing is a shambles, Jeremy.

Unfortunately/Fortunately (depending on point of view) everyone's vote is equal, the "lowest plebs" in the land being just as entitled to vote as the "landed gentry".

I have read and followed the various threads on EDF and this referendum has brought out the worst/or true colours of a lot of people. Whatever your point of view or thoughts on the individuals involved:

Farage on the night spouting forth about losing because two million were allowed to register to vote after the closing date, having basically campaigned on a ticket of "let the people decide"

Sturgeon stating it was democratically unacceptable for Scotland to be dragged out of the EU by England. What if the scottish vote had tipped the resukt the other way, would it have been democratically unacceptable for the scottish vote to keep England in the EU

Gove's behaviour towards Johnson

Osbourne's behaviour regarding a crisis budget to raise taxes

Etc Etc Etc..........................

[Jeremy]

adonirum Wrote:

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> Unfortunately/Fortunately (depending on point of

> view) everyone's vote is equal, the "lowest plebs"

> in the land being just as entitled to vote as the

> "landed gentry".

Agreed... I'm not agreeing with the sentiment that some people shouldn't have voted. But IF the result was a result of a populist campaign being lapped up by people who aren't usually politically engaged/informed... then that is unfortunate.

[Seabag]

I'd be interested to see BJ on future political discussion shows, to see if/how he shifts his tone. And unlike being the Mayor, where he was a loose cannon of his own making, essentially without a boss, I'd be interested to see just how tight a reign PM Teresa May will keep on him

Futher, I'd rather hear what he's got to say, than read it in the Telegraph

I still think he's a cunt

[Jenny1]

How kind of you to say that you see my posts as generally well balanced, adonirum! Thank you.

But I'm puzzled as to why you disagree with the one you quote.

I've no idea if the man interviewed was an aristocrat or of humbler origins. He could just as well have been either. The point I wanted to make was that it's not necessarily a good sign when people who have felt no sense of electoral responsibility throughout their relatively long lives, suddenly get the urge to go to the polling booths.

[JohnL]

Boris says the US is first in the queue (I think he meant for an apology)

He also had a sign outside his house "Sorry World" - so he admits he messed up

[Jenny1]

...which would have been fine if he was a ten year old who'd run the lawn mower into the garden shed, destroying both. But it doesn't quite cut it in the circumstances, does it?

[Lordship 516]

It is fitting that on Bastille Day that Fortress Cameroon has been breached & Brexiteers handed the poisoned silver spoon of managing the Brexit process - if it goes a bit hairy she can place the blame/responsibility directly on their shoulders.

Her education plans look promising - lets hope they will be properly funded.

May is a tough, canny operator & is setting out her stall early on - lets hope she follows through on her words.

Lets also hope that she will abolish much of the latent & virtual feudalism that still exists in UK society.

[DulwichFox]

When it comes down to Boris Johnson..

Well ?

It is more foolish to underestimate a 'Fool' than being one.

Trust me... ;-)

DulwichFox

[Loz]

I don't think anyone underestimates Boris, Foxy. I think everyone knows he is capable of doing quite significant damage.

As a friend said, "Boris as Foreign Secretary? That's like appointing King Herod as Minister for Children."

[Robert Poste's Child]

That's a bit strong. One of Boris's strongest arguments for Leave was that 'international' is not synonymous with the EU, and there's another 90% of the world out there to deal with. For him it seemed to be about the bigger picture rather than controlling immigration and the false British superiority of Farage.

That's not to say he was right - even he knows he wasn't - but I suspect the lesson of getting it wrong will make him more careful in future.

This is an unexpected tenth life, and he must know it.

[Seabag]

The international argument was what nearly swung me 'out', tho he didn't go anyway near to distancing himself far enough from the dirty Farage campaign style, and the infamous ?350million to the NHS. He seemed quite happy (at the time) to benefit from a dirty 'leave' campaign in parallel with his own

His relationship with fact often gets clouded with his desire for story, so maybe he's convinced others he's learned his lesson . Not sure just how long he can keep that up, only time will tell

[Lordship 516]

Johnson...Fox...these are just appointments to address internal Conservative politics. Hopefully Johnson will clean up his act sufficiently, cop himself on, grow up and do the job he has been entrusted with. Fox - no comment apart from I think this appointment was unnecessary & incomprehensible.

?I know you are working around the clock, I know you are doing your best and I know that sometimes life can be a struggle,? she told voters.

?The Government I lead will be driven not by the interests of the privileged few but by yours. We will do everything we can to give you more control over your lives.?

All words that sound good, talking to the left but veering towards the right with her appointments - who knows what she will deliver. More uncertainty ahead on all fronts.

No action on economy until Autumn Statement [16th Nov] - 4 months away is much too long a time to wait for some reasonable indication from the Chancellor on the way forward; more uncertainty.

Hopefully the BoE will give some lead next month but their tools are very limited. More uncertainty.

Not a great environment for investment & jobs - depressing !

[malumbu]

I try to move on but it is so difficult.

I hate the mantra - the British public has made up its mind. Well a snapshot of 52 % on a bad day is far from unanimous. I now have to be a good boy and tow the party line about the best deal and opportunities this all presents. Meanwhile more and more lunatics are taking over the assylum.

I've just come back from the French Embassy and saw the golden mop of Bojo. Heard someone talk about booing and was pleasantly surprised that this in deed did happen. Being on business of course I was far too well behaved.

But I have heard him talk in the past about London's position and influence amongst the great cities of Europe, without a hint of Eurosceptism. Now he dares to say how we are still an important part of Europe. Just pull up the drawbridge you loathsome duplicitous arrrrs.

When will anger subside. When will it get better????

[adonirum]

Seabag....just on the "big red bus" slogan, I'm happy to be corrected as there was almost certainly/clearly more than one doing the rounds, but the slogan I saw read " We send ?350 million a week to the EU, let's fund the NHS instead".

(Also... ?50 million a day, etc).

This is a typical political move. The first part is accurate, the second deliberately ambiguous. It has allowed the leave camp to say that they could (only) give the NHS ?100 million a week.

On the other hand, the remain camp claim that they (leave) promised the quoted/written figure to the NHS.

Manipulative in every way.

[DaveR]

Anybody who wants to know what T May's political philosophy is likely to be should read this:

http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2016/03/nick-timothy-what-does-the-conservative-party-offer-a-working-class-kid-from-brixton-birmingham-bolton-or-bradford.html

Although he's billed as 'former chief of staff' he's very much back in the fold, and was credited with writing her first speech as PM.

[Otta]

Interesting read, thanks for the link.

[????]

Apparently this will be the least privately educated Cabinet since 1945 and, staggeringly, the new Education Minister is the FIRST one to have attended a comprehensive. The 'posh boys' attacks a bit redundant now ( ironically more applicable to Corbyn's Kabul) although I'm never convinced they were very effective anyway.

[Earl Aelfheah]

DaveR Wrote:

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> Anybody who wants to know what T May's political

> philosophy is likely to be should read this:

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> http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2016

> /03/nick-timothy-what-does-the-conservative-party-

> offer-a-working-class-kid-from-brixton-birmingham-

> bolton-or-bradford.html

>

> Although he's billed as 'former chief of staff'

> he's very much back in the fold, and was credited

> with writing her first speech as PM.

anyone who thinks the Tory party is the party of the working class is unfortunately, very misguided.

[Henry_17]

Rah,

Do you believe that with respect to the current crop of Tory politicians (+ some number of their predecessor generations), archetypal conservative values, or both?