citizenED Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Are we on course for the English Language to take over the world? And would it be a good thing? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL9000 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Yes and yes. Diverse languages tend to separate, isolate and divide. A common language (even if it is only a second language) will help bring the world's different cultures and peoples closer together - that has to be a good thing. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-331485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeckhamRose Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 I think it would be a great thing, mainly because I speak English.I think we should only have one currency too! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-331498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
katie1997 Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 citizenED - a very good question. When I worked overseas, my whole team were all from different states with different first languagues. The local language that I thought would be their likely 'common' language wasn't, in fact , when I asked them they all replied in unison "english" as being the language that united them. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-331517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveT Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 English is a very new language and was spoken for many yonks before it was ever written, everyone wrote in French then as it was the diplomatic language. Whilst English was being spoken for those many zillions of years it absorbed bits of other languages which were the most precise in explaining that particular point, which eventually honed it to it's present accuracy.As China decided some years ago to drop Russian and learn 'English' as it's second language, it makes 'English' our most successful export.Great Britain was so named as it's an island lying off the coast of Brittany, and not because of it's errr greatness!Germany has a body of people trying to think up ways of saving German from disappearing off the planet, and the welsh language is most likely to be preserved by the welsh speaking tribe in Patagonia.Now I shall go and get a life. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-331626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffers Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 Kind of, but rather than English it'll be American. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-331806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveT Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 No-one asks if you speak American Australian or Canadian do they?In the southern states of the USA they are considering using Spanish as the first language. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-331822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassius Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 I don't know if this is true or not but a German friend told me that when the US were forming their first constitution there was a vote to see what language the 'United' states would speak and that German only lost by a couple of votes. How different would the history of the last century in particular be if the US had been a Germanic orientated country and entered the two WW on the other side. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-331963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Well technically English is a Germanic language. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-332009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec John Moore Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Interesting thought, does the language "hold" the values of the nation? If that is the case then perhaps there is an argument for a "mongrel" language like English to be the global lingua franca. Of course it isn't that simple, fortunately. I read a few years ago about Hinglish, a combining of English and Hindi that young people in India speak and is used in the commercial (non state sponsored) TV channel aimed at a young audience. However, I feel for all those people in the world who have to learn English as a 2nd language. Observing my children learn to read and write is salutary. Very little in English seems to make sense compared to the predictability of Spanish, say. Alec Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-332080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveT Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 It is very difficult to get English right as there are no predictable rules especially in spelling. Because of the various outside influences from the other bits of language it has absorbed the rules are broken or dysfunctional, or ahem not written in stone.The first european language in North America was French introduced by the trappers and fur traders. English was spoken eventually because the brits took locomotives and developed the interior which opened up the prairies. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-332989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 er....think that locomotives weren't that common before 1776 Steve Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-333044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL9000 Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 SteveT Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> It is very difficult to get English right English is a lot more fault tolerant than, say, Arabic where the slightest mispronunciation can change the meaning beyond recognition, I find.Famous Arabic example: "purify your hearts" is transformed into "skin your dogs" by a slight nuance of pronunciation. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-333064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peckhamgatecrasher Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Who knew Laurence Lewellyn-Bowen was a pioneer? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-333080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moos Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Which illustrates the difficulties of Welsh, at least. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-333083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peckhamgatecrasher Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Oh 'ell. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-333086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveT Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 HAL9000 there seems to be no end to your vast pool of knowledge, I'm very impressed, and 'skinning your dogs' is a useful procedure prior to serving, they can be surprisingly tastey with cous-cous and olives, with dates* to follow:))* pronounced datt ezz Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-333111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 HAL9000 Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> English is a lot more fault tolerant than, say,> Arabic where the slightest mispronunciation can> change the meaning beyond recognition, I find.Same with Chinese, I reckon. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-333127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moos Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Peckhamgatecrasher Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Oh 'ell.Lovely! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-333128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Jeremy Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> HAL9000 Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > English is a lot more fault tolerant than, say,> > Arabic where the slightest mispronunciation can> > change the meaning beyond recognition, I find.> > Same with Chinese, I reckon.Indeed. The Chinese word for mother also means horse with different intonation.Moos - you might find that a useful reference point when dealing with the in-laws! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-333135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
citizenED Posted June 17, 2010 Author Share Posted June 17, 2010 Yes, but even in English changing just one letter will change the whole meaning of a worm. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-333137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_carnell Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 True indeed Citizen. And I suppose with the use of intonation we have the great British sense of irony too.See? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-333138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 And saying a word like fecundity slowly and in the wrong context can cause all sorts of trouble. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-333141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAL9000 Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 It's quite possible that English is now the world's most badly spoken language - it seems to get the job done, though. During my travels, I can't recall a single occasion where I failed to find someone who spoke or understood it to some extent.I blame the BBC?s World Service, Voice of America and, of late, the ubiquitous CNN. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-333193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Posted June 17, 2010 Share Posted June 17, 2010 Is this the point where someone makes a joke about Scotland? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/11744-will-english-take-over-the-whole-world/#findComment-333195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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