Another accident at junction of Barry Rd and Underhill

[intexasatthe moment]

car has mounted pavement and hit railings near pedestrian crossing .Looks like it was travelling east west direction .

[DJKillaQueen]

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[Penguin68]

When I passed the car was taped off - it was partially blocking Barry Road traffic tavelling West (bendy buses will have a problem passing) and making it very difficult to turn west out of Underhill (from either direction). It's front was pretty badly damaged; I suspect it won't be easy to move (isn't towable as far as I could see) so it will need to be winched onto a low loader to be recovered. No obvious sign, thank goodness, of anyone injured - the passenger 'box' looked OK.

[karter]

Nice black new loooking bmw, looked like it came out of underhill rd onto Barry rd and crashed into the railings. Not just a dent so it must have been going at speed. i couldn't see any other vehicle involved. Police, ambulance and fire brigade present, as i passed by trying to get shelter from the heavy rain.:-S

[kford]

A black 2002 BMW 3-series with flashy alloys. Looked like it pulled out of underhill too fast, or aquaplaned.

[cazzyr]

Just another incident which proves people drive WAY too fast down Barry Road and traffic calming is necessary. A roundabout would slow things down and a reliably flashing speed camera. I've seen w****ers travelling over 60 mph regularly.

[karter]

a speed monitor and traffic calming would help on Barry rd. That car appeared to come out of Underhill though.

[DJKillaQueen]

Idiot drivers still drive like idiots even with traffic calming.

[kford]

But this driver crashed because he(she) overcooked it pulling out of a side road. It looked like aggressive driving, but the impact was no greater than 20-25mph. No camera would stop that.

[DJKillaQueen]

This is true. If you hit a railing head on at 25 mph the car will be very damaged. It's inaccurate to make assumptions on speed from crash damage.

Also the car could have mounted the pavement for any number of reasons, from avoiding an obstacle to heart attack.

I've seen w****ers travelling over 60 mph regularly.

Were you standing there with a speed gun? or is that just guess work?

[cazzyr]

Nope, lived on Bazza road for 10 years and amazed how it's used to test out 5th gear, seen several speed related crashes...... only saw aftermath today.

[SeanMacGabhann]

Djkq. You really don't need to contest every. Single. Thing

Anyone who lives close to Barry road with any wits know that people hare down that road at speeds unseen on any other road. You don't need a fucking speed gun to say "yep THAT one was 60 mph"

It's a road that people drive excessively fast on. Really

[DJKillaQueen]

Unfortunately Barry Road is not an accident black spot in either the area or borough. The junction of Peckham Rye and East Dulwich Road however is, which is why it and several other junctions will be considered in a range of planned road improvements around the Peckham Rye area over the next two-three years. The junction of Barry Road and Peckham Rye may be considered for work to make turning right off Barry Road safer and easier.

[DJKillaQueen]

It's a road that people drive excessively fast on. Really

Most people are very poor at judging the speed of a moving vehicle from a pavement to be honest. 60 mpr would be suicidal.

[trentk69]

First Point - Excessive Speed on Barry Road: I have to agree with cazzyr - people drive exceptionally fast up and down Barry Road. Just give them an clear road opportunity and away they go... Sometimes they dont even need a clear road - travelling in excess speed on the wrong side of the road, overtaking the number 12 bus and a few cars is not uncommon at all.

Second Point - Barry Road, Underhill Road Junction: There was also a crash at this junction on Sunday, which was the first one I had seen in a while - but I have been on holiday... luckily a local Bobbie was in the vacinity, as it looked like things were going to get heated between the drivers of the two cars.

Tonights crash has written off the railings by the crossings that is for sure!

How do I know? My house overlooks this junction.

[Nicholas]

A few weeks ago we were talking about this junction on this forum.It needs painted stop lines and sign urgently. As I said on a previous post some idiots ues it as a race track and 60mph plus is no exaggeration. At least two speed cameras would help but with all the government cut backs can't see it happening.

This all results to bad driving speeding and wet conditions. The black beamer must have hit the railings at some speed judging by the demage. Was there any other vehicles involved and was anyone injured?

[intexasatthe moment]

I rather regret starting this post ,I'd just seen the accident and in rather a knee jerk reaction wanted to " share " .

Because I use Barry Rd a great deal posts about it attract my attention .

But I wonder what the statistics actually show .

This has probably been posted somewhere else on here - maybe JB's thread - but can anyone post a link to to one of those maps that shows numbers of accidents in the borough ?

[davidh]

the fact is that drivers in this country, and particularly i london, drive way too fast as a matter of course. some cars treat residential side roads like race tracks. they even whizz along lordship lane, which is loony. it is the british mentality I'm afraid

[Penguin68]

Whereas elsewhere, such as Italy, for instance, drivers have got well-earned reputations for caution and hesitancy.

[James Barber]

Hi intexasatthe moment,

After much searching I found this.

http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,392950,393268#msg-393268

A couple of posts down is information I found - 5 collissions in 3 years.

Extra double yellow lines were installed to improve sight lines, but the collission stats show more crashes on Lordship Lane and Grove Vale and that's where major spending was agreed at the start of the financial year. Some this and most next year. Labour have shifted much of the emphasis to Grove Vale and a colleague cycnically suggested this is because it borders South Camberwell ward which is Labour held.

[intexasatthe moment]

Aaah - knew I'd seen a map somewhere ,page 13 on this Southwark Road Safety Plan .

http://www.southwark.gov.uk/downloads/download/293/road_safety_plan

The image isn't clear enough on line for me to make much sense of it ,but maybe someone more skilled will have better luck .

[kford]

Longer double-yellows to improve sight lines is a great idea, and one that could benefit LL and especially the bend by Kwik Fit on Grove Vale, where poor parking forces cars and buses onto the wrong side of the road and unnecessary congestion.

[trentk69]

Hi James Barber - are you saying that the report says that there has only been 5 collisons at the Barry Road - Underhill road in the past 3 years?

If this is the case, then this is very wrong. I would say there has been at least 5 collisons there this year alone - probably more.

I hear and see them all the time from my house. Earlier this year the crashes there were coming thick and fast - approximately one a week for the space of about a month...

Cheers

[DulwichMoan]

How Many Car Related Deaths Have Happended On This Road?

[James Barber]

Hi trentk69,

If people don't report collissions then I'm afraid they wont appear in any statistics.

Under reporting is higher the less injured people involved are.

If you see a collission do report it. Without the right stats very hard for resources to be prioritised on the right location.

Hi DulwichMoan,

Thankfully zero at this location.