scaffolding in Amott Road

[Mrs TP]

Anyone know what is going on with that huge scaffolding around the detached house opposite the Baptist church / Rainbow / Nursery etc?

It looks to be at least two floors higher than the existing house.

[KidKruger]

I haven't seen it but it sounds like they may be replacing the roof and / or building a loft extension and want to ensure cover from weather whilst they proceed with the works ?

[cate]

You could always go and ask them.

[huncamunca]

gang activity

[cassidy]

I think there was some mention a while ago of a nursery going there, i remember seeing a notice on the gates some time back.

[PippaD]

The roof is being repaired and yes, it is to be a nursery in the future when all the works are complete.

:))

[Huggers]

I and others live behind this and the rising scaffolding indicates more than a roof repair. At the moment it looks like a high rise block overpowering our back gardens- raising the level of the building by at least one storey- ... in my loft bedroom I can practically see what the workmen have in their lunchboxes.

What was a bungalow has scaffolding bigger than the three storey victorian house next to it.

Southwark has replied to our enquiries thus: they have pending planning permission for a nursery but have granted permission for a roof extension as long as it is a residence but not if it is a nursery- the two planning permissions are alternatives not parallels. It can only be a nursery if they do not extend the roof.

They are taking a look so watch this space...

[neilly1973]

How do we find out more?

[Huggers]

ring southwak planning-Tom Buttrick

Planning Enforcement Officer

[lsc]

It has been known for structures that break planning regulations to be knowingly erected in this borough. The owners/builders keep the work well covered until completion of all work and only then seek retrospective planning permission. I know of a case where there were local objections to a structure which clearly broke planning regs but Southwark Planning did diddley squat, not wanting to rock the boat. The owners just wait until four years is up and the extension can stand and no action can be brought against it. Builders know about this loophole and arevery happy to exploit it.

[Jeremy]

Planning applications are all in the public domain... just google "southwark planning portal" or similar.

60A Amott Road is being converted to a daycare nursery, including a loft conversion:

- Change of use to convert residential property to a day care nursery for 1-5 year old children (Class D1 use).

- Provision of roof extension by way of infilling valley and rear dormer window extension to provide additional residential accommodation.

[Huggers]

jeremy, it does not have planning permission for both daycare nursery and loft conversion. the two applications are mutually exclusive -only one allowed. The loft is if it stays residential, the daycare if it doesnt do the loft. They were told if they wanted change of use they could not have loft. I understood they had dropped change of use. If it is attempting both it has broken regulations.

I know this from correspondence with Tom Buttrick as some of us residents backing onto this structure were very alarmed.

If anybody thinks the owners are going for loft while turning it into a nursery, please inform Southwark immediately.

Contrary to Isc's experience, I have found Southwark planning absolutely on the ball, we had rogue developers doing all sorts of stuff and they made them undo the work. They were inspecting suspected breach of planning within one hour of getting phone call.

[Eileen]

Hi Huggers - as this affects you so directly and you have already been in touch with Tom Buttrick, if I were you, I would contact him ASAP to make sure he knows what is being said in this Forum and ask him if it is true. He needs to check it out again, if he hasn't done so for some time.

[Huggers]

thanks Eileen, just sent him a link.

[Jeremy]

Sorry Huggers, didn't read your previous post properly...

[Huggers]

workmen banging away all christmas bank holiday- yesterday and today from 9am.

[nylonmeals]

Nursery due to open in March, Little Jungle.

[Fuschia]

nylonmeals Wrote:

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> Nursery due to open in March, Little Jungle.

? http://ukdata.com/company/06953948/LITTLE-JUNGLE-NURSERY-LTD

[Huggers]

How extradordinary- so they went for residential planning permission which excluded nursery use and then are opening as a nursery anyway..

I wonder if it has been sold for nursery use- a lot of people live there. How very wierd.

[MrsD]

The scaffolding has now come down and another application for planning permission is under consultation because the original application was only approved based on the property being single story. Now the roof extension is complete they are reapplying to convert the two story building into a nursery - see website

http://planningonline.southwarksites.com/planningonline2/AcolNetCGI.exe?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=9538954

Does anybody else have any objections to the peoperty opening as a nursery? If so now is the time to speak up as the consultation period ends soon (19/03/11).

I have huge concerns about the noise 30 children are going to make from 7.30 am until 6.30 pm all year round, not to mention all the comings and goings of staff and parents. Once the nursery is open, what's to stop it extending its hours or opening at weekends? Will you still be able to enjoy your garden?

If you would like any help writing a letter of objection or would like to add your signature to my letter, please let me know.

[Huggers]

nobody consulted me and I back onto it!

[MrsD]

According to the planning website, the following neighbours have been consulted, but I think anyone can comment on it - especially if your proporty backs on to it Huggers

1) 58 AMOTT ROAD, LONDON, SE15 4JD

2) 60 AMOTT ROAD, LONDON, SE15 4JD

3) 64 AMOTT ROAD, LONDON, SE15 4JD

4) 43A AMOTT ROAD, LONDON, SE15 4HU

5) BAPTIST CHURCH, AMOTT ROAD, LONDON, SE15 4HU

6) 14 NUTBROOK STREET, LONDON, SE15 4LE

7) 18 NUTBROOK STREET, LONDON, SE15 4LE

8) 20 NUTBROOK STREET, LONDON, SE15 4LE

9) 26 NUTBROOK STREET, LONDON, SE15 4LE

10) 45 AMOTT ROAD, LONDON, SE15 4HU

11) 22A NUTBROOK STREET, LONDON, SE15 4LE

12) 22B NUTBROOK STREET, LONDON, SE15 4LE

13) 56 AMOTT ROAD, LONDON, SE15 4JD

14) 62 AMOTT ROAD, LONDON, SE15 4JD

15) 41 AMOTT ROAD, LONDON, SE15 4HU

16) 16 NUTBROOK STREET, LONDON, SE15 4LE

17) 24 NUTBROOK STREET, LONDON, SE15 4LE

18) 43B AMOTT ROAD, LONDON, SE15 4HU

[kristymac1]

MrsD Wrote:

> I have huge concerns about the noise 30 children

> are going to make from 7.30 am until 6.30 pm all

> year round, not to mention all the comings and

> goings of staff and parents. Once the nursery is

> open, what's to stop it extending its hours or

> opening at weekends? Will you still be able to

> enjoy your garden?

I really don't think you'll be bothered by noisy children 11 hours a day - we live opposite a primary school and even at break time, the noise is absolutely fine (and there are a lot more than 30 kids running around) - our daughter goes to a reasonable size nursery (probably around 30 kids) and having spent a fair amount of time there during her settling in period I can tell you it really isn't a noisy place. Children at nursery are engaged in learning through structured play, they're not allowed/encouraged to run around feral and banshee-like..... As for opening for more hours and at the weekend, I'd say this is very unlikely (especially the weekend thing). It's easy for me to say I guess as I'm more than a stone's throw from Amott, but I wouldn't have any objections to a nursery (which is a much needed service in ED) opening on my road.

[ClareC]

Totally agree with you Kristymac, we are near Heber school, the only time you hear children is break times and even then it's minimal and not unpleasant.

Nursery's simply do not open weekends or longer hours than this.... The demand isn't there.

I would have no objection to a nursery opening near me either.

Interesting the person trying to stir things up is a first time poster.... Makes you suspect there is more to it!

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

As someone who lives round the corner (and opposite a school), I'm not bothered about the noise, but I do think if parents drive to drop their children off, it will be chaos. Parking is already at a premium because of the school and lots of yellow zigzags.