A general thread to discuss Trump

[steveo]

Yes, still an obnoxious prick but not the idiot we have today

 

[IlonaM]

Trump Appears to Push Aside the Leader of Montenegro at NATO family photocall:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/25/us/politics/trump-push-aside-leader-montenegro-nato-summit.html?module=WatchingPortal&region=c-column-middle-span-region&pgType=Homepage&action=click&mediaId=thumb_square&state=standard&contentPlacement=2&version=internal&contentCollection=www.nytimes.com&contentId=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2017%2F05%2F25%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2Ftrump-push-aside-leader-montenegro-nato-summit.html&eventName=Watching-article-click&_r=0

Says it all really.

[malumbu]

Just reminds me of the odd time I travel on the tube (or at a gig) when occasionally someone shoves their way through and even at my advanced age I give them a little shove, elbow, kick. Was gobsmacked - we know the bloke is no statesman but this is just bullying (and makes the nation a laughing stock). Shame the chap from Montenegro didn't deck him one! Wonder what the excuse will be this time.

[JohnL]

Trump on Germany

"Bad, Very Bad"

"Look at the millions of cars they sell in the US, terrible we'll stop it"

Trump misses something here - People want German cars.

[Saffron]

malumbu Wrote:

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> Just reminds me of the odd time I travel on the

> tube (or at a gig) when occasionally someone

> shoves their way through and even at my advanced

> age I give them a little shove, elbow, kick. Was

> gobsmacked - we know the bloke is no statesman but

> this is just bullying (and makes the nation a

> laughing stock). Shame the chap from Montenegro

> didn't deck him one! Wonder what the excuse will

> be this time.

I'd likeep to think that Mentenegro chap has plotted some super passive agressive revenge. Maybe he's going to swap Trump?s well done steak for rare, or some chocolate cake from poundland.

[Saffron]

Ladies and gentlemen: covfefe*

*Sadly not coffee flavoured toffee, but could score you bigly on Scrabble.

[rendelharris]

http://i.imgur.com/9AmjFKM.png

[JohnL]

Apparently if his staff keep making up useless jobs for him to do, it stops him watching TV and tweeting.

Maybe a covfefe is a useless job just to keep him occupied

[maxxi]

It is well known slang for a robbing git from my home town.*

*Coventry.

[IlonaM]

He is a really dangerous and reckless man

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/climate/trump-paris-climate-agreement.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

At least the American voters will have the final say next election ? before the US is definitely out.

[Lordship 516]

Trump has done more for climate change than any other person on the planet - in one stroke he has united the world to reaffirm their commitment to the Paris agreement [& even more] & has even united much of the US in favour of climate change - even the Mayor of Pittsburgh has affirmed their approval of the Paris agreement. We should be greatful to Trump for his good efforts.

[JohnL]

Macron: Make our planet great again

[Saffron]

Mayor of Pittsburgh Bill Peduto hits back at Trump over Paris: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pittsburgh-mayor-pledges-to-adhere-to-paris-agreement/article/2624732

[Saffron]

It's 10am on a Friday, and I'm out of popcorn already.

[Jenny1]

I'm left wondering how far US cities and states might be able to create an alternative power structure in the country. The mayors and governors pledging to support the Paris Accord and the sanctuary city network could act as a model for that. That's the strength of the federal system I guess - it offers a powerful alternative to Presidential control.

[Saffron]

A few months old but still relevant: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-meyerson-trump-state-conflict-20170201-story.html

Trump could punish liberal states like California by withholding federal payments. But California could counter by withholding federal taxes, or adding state tax to imports, such as vehicles that do not comply to CA's strict emissions laws.

[Jenny1]

Thanks Saffron. Very interesting piece. So yes - with California and New York City in a leadership role, we might be entering an era of reduced US Federal control and increased State and City power. From a historical/political perspective that would be fascinating.

[Jenny1]

...just saw reference to the fact that Macron referred to 'the US Federal Government' withdrawing from the Paris Agreement, not 'the US'. He's a sharp guy. I wish we had politicians in this country with similar mental capacities.

[red devil]

Macron is doing well at home since his election. There was a fear that as he had no established party as such, he would be a lame duck President when it came to getting his reforms through the French parliament. But his En Marche! movement is now expected to do very well in their up-coming elections, giving him a clear majority to carry them out...https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-france-election-poll-idUKKBN18S5M3

[Jenny1]

Yes. And he looks happy to job-share the 'Leader of the Free World' role with Merkel and Trudeau.

It'll be really interesting to see how far France changes. That France is essentially 'unchangeable' seems to have been a mantra for a very long time. It can't hold true forever.

[keano77]

red devil Wrote:

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> Macron is doing well at home since his election.

> There was a fear that as he had no established

> party as such, he would be a lame duck President

> when it came to getting his reforms through the

> French parliament. But his En Marche! movement is

> now expected to do very well in their up-coming

> elections, giving him a clear majority to carry

> them

> out...https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-france-ele

> ction-poll-idUKKBN18S5M3

Wait and see. I think the unions might have something to say about down-sizing its bloated civil service and ending the 35-hour working week.

[malumbu]

WTF HTF can the US use anti-science to pull out of the climate change agreement. Arrogant, ignorant, small minded, shockiing.

[keano77]

malumbu Wrote:

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> WTF HTF can the US use anti-science to pull out of

> the climate change agreement. Arrogant, ignorant,

> small minded, shockiing.

Not necessarily. It's generally accepted that the Paris Accord, while being the best international agreement we have so far, will do very little to solve climate change.

At the moment we have green technology subsidised by tax payers that doesn't work. Wind turbines that need to be turned off if it's too windy. Solar panels that cost more to produce and run than the energy they provide.

It amuses me that Facebook and Apple are pretending to be outraged. Between them they have probably been responsible or more electricity consumption (in the West at least) manufacturing tablets and phones, constantly recharging them, to engage in social media.

Resist the knee-jerk reaction malumbu.

[rendelharris]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Not necessarily. It's generally accepted that the

> Paris Accord, while being the best international

> agreement we have so far, will do very little to

> solve climate change.

What's your definition of "generally accepted"? Every nation in the world has signed up to it except (now) the USA, Syria and Nicaragua. That's pretty general, really.

[rendelharris]

keano77 Wrote:

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> It amuses me that Facebook and Apple are

> pretending to be outraged. Between them they have

> probably been responsible or more electricity

> consumption (in the West at least) manufacturing

> tablets and phones, constantly recharging them, to

> engage in social media.

Oh, and what utter nonsense. Yeah, global warming is down to people using mobile telephones for social media, not two centuries of carbon belching factories and petrol engines. "More electricity consumption..." Than what?