A general thread to discuss Trump

[diable rouge]

Trumpy now saying the Sun's report was fake news. Oh the irony!...:)

[JohnL]

Wow - it's surreal.

[JohnL]

The Germans have overtaken Britain at satire

https://twitter.com/marceldirsus/status/1017765636066471937

[malumbu]

Saw Trump by chance as his cavalcade came up the M11. For once something to thank Michael O'Leary for (yet another late arrival Ryanair). He didn't wave, in fact unlike our monarch I couldn't even see into his car.

Lots of armoured vehicles and police outriders though.

[Sue]

We were at the march/rally yesterday.

I have since seen this, which is one of the most bizarre things I have ever had the misfortune to watch.

https://www.facebook.com/BBCPolitics/videos/2329172733766238/UzpfSTc4MjI4MjE3NToxMDE1Njc3MTIzMTEyMjE3Ng/

[malumbu]

Umhhh, I would judge that as quite well handled by Trump, probably one of his better interviews. Seamlessly moves from Brexit to his own election. And yes immigration was the main reason for Brexit. Generally poorly informed of course. Think there would be greater merit in showing clips of people in the UK sticking up for him (not Farage who also handles this well) but Reece Mogg......

[JohnL]

Many of us have worked with people like Trump who like to cause chaos and destroy the current consensus - They are usually brought in to do a job (break down the current status quo so a new one can be set n place) then they're gone.

They aren't builders.

[JohnL]

Theresa May delivered this line on Marr this morning to the question what course of action did Mr Trump recommend to you with respect to the EU.

"Sue Them"

[Sue]

malumbu Wrote:

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> Umhhh, I would judge that as quite well handled by

> Trump, probably one of his better interviews.

Christ, I'd hate to see the others then.

I try to avoid them :))

[uncleglen]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Theresa May delivered this line on Marr this

> morning to the question what course of action did

> Mr Trump recommend to you with respect to the EU.

>

> "Sue Them"

He probably stated it in words she could understand- because she sure as hell did not heed his more detailed advice earlier on....

Khans excuse for allowing the puerile baby trump to fly- 'it's not my role to be a censor'....what a hypocrite after he banned all bikini ads on the underground within weeks of taking office!

It's a pity all you naysayers do not read what Trump has achieved whilst in office......still you lot never did like the truth

[Sue]

What exactly has Trump "achieved"?

[cella]

I thought Khans interview was brilliant - he was very clear and reasonable on every point.

[rendelharris]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> It's a pity all you naysayers do not read what

> Trump has achieved whilst in office......still you

> lot never did like the truth

One achievement Uncle, just one thing that has made America or the world a better place. Just one.

[JoeLeg]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> JohnL Wrote:

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> He probably stated it in words she could

> understand- because she sure as hell did not heed

> his more detailed advice earlier on....

And why should she?

> Khans excuse for allowing the puerile baby trump

> to fly- 'it's not my role to be a censor'....what

> a hypocrite after he banned all bikini ads on the

> underground within weeks of taking office!

You don?t like Khan as a person. Your entire view of him is tainted by that fact.

> It's a pity all you naysayers do not read what

> Trump has achieved whilst in office......still you

> lot never did like the truth

Job growth rates in the US are actually slowing now. The whole healthcare debate is sill raging and he?s embroiled in a tariff war with China. These are the actions of someone who is determined to shake things up and like a snow globe we are a long way from seeing where the dust will settle. The USA is a remarkably fractured society socially and racially, and he seems reluctant to drain the swamp as much as he promised too so this seems unlikely to change. By far the highest driver of equality is a *lack* of mistrust and bigotry, leading to a level playing field, something the USA manifestly lacks. America is far from being the land of milk and obey for all its citizens.

However, pretty much everything he has done is domestic US policy and as such very much their business and not ours. Internationally he?s been a much more divisive figure and has failed to actually deliver much. His summit with Putin will be an interesting test.

As far as the truth is concerned, you seem to only be on speaking terms with it when it conforms to your narrow little echo chamber, so I?m not sure I?m taking lectures from you there.

[Alan Medic]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> JohnL Wrote:

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> > Theresa May delivered this line on Marr this

> > morning to the question what course of action

> did

> > Mr Trump recommend to you with respect to the

> EU.

> >

> > "Sue Them"

>

> He probably stated it in words she could

> understand- because she sure as hell did not heed

> his more detailed advice earlier on....

> Khans excuse for allowing the puerile baby trump

> to fly- 'it's not my role to be a censor'....what

> a hypocrite after he banned all bikini ads on the

> underground within weeks of taking office!

Do you disagree with this and if so why?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/sadiq-khan-there-will-be-no-more-body-shaming-adverts-on-the-tube-a3269951.html

[JohnL]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> uncleglen Wrote:

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> > It's a pity all you naysayers do not read what

> > Trump has achieved whilst in office......still

> you

> > lot never did like the truth

>

> One achievement Uncle, just one thing that has

> made America or the world a better place. Just

> one.

The dangerous achievement IMHO is he has destabilised what is called recently "the rules based international system" meaning that something else can be readied to take over. This is what Change Managers do - break down the old system before establishing the new.

You suspect any new system won't be good looking at history.

[Alan Medic]

When will we find out what Putin has on Trump? An election win maybe?

Would/wouldn't, easy to mix up https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44864739

[Sue]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> When will we find out what Putin has on Trump? An

> election win maybe?

Given what we know about Trump's character, I'm guessing it's more likely to be something personal which if it was publicised (ie any evidence for it) would make Trump look bad.

Like this:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-pee-tape-golden-showers-prostitutes-moscow-james-comey-cnn-a8303056.html

[poch]

Obama on lies...

[malumbu]

In 1983 I went for an interview as a medical products rep. The chap posed a question - you've got the trots and take some of our product. It doesn't work.

A pharmacist you are trying to sell to asks you how good the product is. What do you say?

It's brilliant I say.

Integrity young person, integrity. I'd never used that word before but it has stuck with me for 35 years.

Trump. Integrity. WTF

[JohnL]

To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!

I love that most of the replies to this just seem to question if it violates Twitter's codes of posting.

[Alan Medic]

When is the meeting?

[Sue]

This is very interesting in relation to Trump's connections with Russia:

https://secure.avaaz.org/campaign/en/shocking_truth_about_trump/?bLXOlab

[malumbu]

Sue, I am sure that can find conspiracy sites where the UK is bending over backwards to accommodate Russian interests too. Which we are.

[diable rouge]

This is going to be big, very big...FOUR HUNDRED!!!