A general thread to discuss Trump

[diable rouge]

Scooby Doo and the gang have been busted...

[JohnL]

Theresa May just hasn't got it yet - if you ring Trump he'll just shout at you (especially if you happen to be a woman). I can only imagine her frustration (or maybe she really is robotic enough not to care)

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/trump-berated-theresa-may-over-brexit-and-iran-from-air-force-one-a3989721.html

[JohnL]

Brilliant, Jim Acosta has his accreditation pass back :)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/16/trump-white-house-cnn-reporter-jim-acosta-pass

[Still Rolling]

Love You Donald Maga

[JohnL]

"This is the kind of life that Donald Trump wishes he was living. Everything in his house is gold and yet he literally could never make this piano work. It's not about the gold; it's about the swagger. Queen Elizabeth has that Gold Piano Energy. Donald Trump has that Rusty Harmonica at a Yard Sale Energy."

https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a25684406/queen-elizabeth-gold-piano-christmas/

[JohnL]

How did the Trump thread drop to page 5 when he says things like

"THE RIGGED AND CORRUPT MEDIA IS THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE"

See, we've just got used to it.

[Blah Blah]

Tommy Robinson said the same thing from a stage outside the Old Bailey last year. It is a standard line for the political extremes and populists. As the old adage goes, get everyone to hate someone, as long as it is not you.

[keano77]

Interesting. Just watching ?Beyond 100 Days? on the BBC News Channel.

The point was made how important the coming Presidential Election is in terms of whether Trump has done anything wrong.

If Mueller has a case against Trump it has to be brought before 5 years due to a statute of limitations. However if Trump wins again he will be protected by his office and it will be too late to bring the case.

[rendelharris]

keano77 Wrote:

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> If Mueller has a case against Trump it has to be

> brought before 5 years due to a statute of

> limitations. However if Trump wins again he will

> be protected by his office and it will be too late

> to bring the case.

I have heard it rumoured that the intention was always for him to do his four novelty years before claiming ill health or some such and handing the baton to Pence, but he hadn't anticipated the legal trouble and is playing exactly the game you mention.

[JohnL]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> keano77 Wrote:

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>

> > If Mueller has a case against Trump it has to

> be

> > brought before 5 years due to a statute of

> > limitations. However if Trump wins again he

> will

> > be protected by his office and it will be too

> late

> > to bring the case.

>

> I have heard it rumoured that the intention was

> always for him to do his four novelty years before

> claiming ill health or some such and handing the

> baton to Pence, but he hadn't anticipated the

> legal trouble and is playing exactly the game you

> mention.

In my view Pence could be worse - not as mad but possible badder. His views are strange to say the least.

[JoeLeg]

Pence would be worse. He takes Revelations literally. A Republican SCOTUS and a hardcore Christian in the Oval? Handmaids Tale will start to look eerily familiar...

I?ve also often felt that Trump was just keeping it wa for Pemce; to be fair the Dem?s are doing themselves no favours, they?re as fractured as Labour, just hiding it better right now. The ?progressives? - who we would see as moderate Tories but the flyover states see as full on socialists (another concept the US doesn?t really understand) - hurting them. The Dem?s stand a good chance of losing 2020 Unless they can coalesce under one candidate capable of appealing to the middle ground. Right now they?re just running to the extremes (like everyone else).

Trump never expected to win, and the GOP thought they could control him. Since then everyone has been trying to work out what next, and Trump only cares about looking good.

His attacks on the media were comical at first, but now they?re getting pretty worrying. The First Amendment has the force of God over there, but that won?t stop a nutterwirh a gun...Trump is empowering bigotry and hatred, actively empowering it, because it all distracts from his problems.

[Captain Marvel]

Someone on Quora asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?" Nate White, a Brit responded.

A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump?s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

I don?t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it?s a fact. He doesn?t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn?t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It?s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don?t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He?s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He?s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy? is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

* Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.

* You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.

After all, it?s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.

In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

'My God? what? have? I? created?

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.

[Sue]

Brilliant :)

[carlafindle]

50 years late but Trump finally went to Vietnam...

[JohnL]

carlafindle Wrote:

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> 50 years late but Trump finally went to Vietnam...

and came back with nothing.

At least his press conference sounded sane today.

[malumbu]

So we have a British Trump now (that's for another thread). A chap who was telling me how good this was also said how Trump is regularly quoted out of context by the liberal media, including his recent twitter storm (go back to your own country). I thought perhaps he has a point and I only saw a selected part of the article. So as someone who wants an objective view I checked. The full quote was:

"interesting to see ?Progressive? Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run"

I can't see how this was selected or abridged. It appears to be the full tweet. So I expect this chap just followed some right wing news feed and decided that it must be correct.

[Seabag]

G W Bush has a well developed sense of humour, he?s a funny guy, self deprecating and aware.

Trump is uniquely vacant in the ?funny ha ha? despot department.

And and and.....who ever said ?British Trump?? in connection to BJ ?

Nobody, other than vainglorious TMP himself.

[Hemingway]

We don't have a British Trump - that's an invention of the fevered mind of left wing social media

[JohnL]

Someone messed with the Presidential Seal when Trump spoke at the Turning Point group. The seal had a double headed eagle, golf clubs and a new motto.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/07/25/trump-appears-altered-presidential-seal-turning-point-usa-event/1824386001/

[Jenny1]

Hemingway Wrote:

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> We don't have a British Trump - that's an

> invention of the fevered mind of left wing social

> media

I think you'll find it was Trump himself who said it!

[Hemingway]

Left wing social media taking up everything Trump says as truth now then?

[Jenny1]

Sorry. You've lost me Hemingway. Trump has delighted in the idea that Johnson is a 'Britain (sic) Trump'(see his tweet). Trump sees Johnson as a good thing. That's the story.

[Jenny1]

...sorry. Wasn't a tweet this time, was it? Unusually. The reference is in Trump's address to 'Turning Point'.

[ianr]

Jenny1> Wasn't a tweet this time, was it?

Straight out of his mouth, this one.

[Seabag]

Urgh.....I actually listened to that twice, it was like waking up with a slug stuck to my face

?They like me out there, that?s what they wanted?