The disrespecting of remembrance day by Muslim extremists!!

[Brendan]

It?s not really cricket is it but then there really are more important things to be outraged by than 35 arseholes who think it?s big and clever to be rude about an international day of tribute to the dead.

What I find more offensive is that there actually exists something called the English Defence League who had gathered nearby to have some sort of nationalist barney with these idiots.

[reggie]

Is it important to be outraged?

[ImpetuousVrouw]

Some Muslims I know who are not extreme oe even active do have a thing about the West and their crusades in the past. Can't blame them really because we did go and slaughter thousands of them in the name of Christianity. Some see the current Western push against Muslim countries as a renewal of the original crusades.

I'm not a fan of war myself and don't really go in for the whole poppy thing so the actions of the 35 Muslims (who didn't seem particularly extreme to me) didn't shock or outrage me.

Is it any worse than burning other symbols in protest?

The original poster said it shouldn't be allowed.

Why not? Because their views might not reflect those of the mainstream?

You might not be happy with the way that they expressed their anger at what they see as a Western Crusade against Muslims, but aren't they entitled to express that view? Or do you think the State should control the population's rights to assembly and/or protest?

[Santerme]

I would argue that I defended the right for these people to defame a symbol lots of people hold in respect.

That is the irony they do not comprehend

[ImpetuousVrouw]

I agree, I think they have no right to get their knickers in a twist about cartoon Mohammed too if they want the right to burn poppies.

[taper]

didn't some white christian british Celtic fans similarly insult the memory of our veterans a few days ago?

[ImpetuousVrouw]

I think so, but that's not as shocking and newsworthy for some reason!

[mockney piers]

How can anyone be pissed off with the west for the crusades? That's ludicrous.

That's like still being pissed off with the Mongols for Gengis Khan.

Plus it's a bit having it both ways to remember their being invaded, but conveniently forgetting the fact that the original Muslim Arabs invaded pretty much everyone, including Spain and France 300 years before the crusades, and invaded Europe again 300 years later, stopped at the gates of Vienna.

Anyway, even discussing Islam in respect to this is missing the point. Islamism as a political philosophy owes an infinitely greater debt to Robespierre than it does Mohammed.

[mockney piers]

"didn't some white christian british Celtic fans similarly insult the memory of our veterans a few days ago?"

See my comments a few posts back, catch up ;)

Must have taken more than 35 people mind.

[louisiana]

re taper's post:

Did they?

Sigh.

The world has a lot of twits in it.

Let's just ignore the twits. Or we'll be descending to their level.

[ImpetuousVrouw]

Mockney, I'm not making a judgement on whether their obsession with the crusades is logcal. I merely pointed out that many Muslims think the recent actions against Muslim countries is a resurgence of the Christian crusades.

[mockney piers]

We'll go with not logical then. Sadly Bush's constant use of the term crusade, and the deliberate framing of the war on terror as a clash of civilisations only served to stoked the flames, which of course played as much into Bin Laden's hands as it did into Cheney's.

[Keef]

ImpetuousVrouw Wrote:

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> You might not be happy with the way that they

> expressed their anger at what they see as a

> Western Crusade against Muslims, but aren't they

> entitled to express that view?

I think you may be crediting this particular group with more brains than they actually have.

[Loz]

Why do they do it? For publicity.

What to the people yelling 'THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!" doing. Give them publicity.

Why do you do it? Why are you suckered in every time?

[berryberry]

Spelling and grammar tend to be learnt sometime before you get to university. Did I say I was a writer or university educated? It is not a little error your writing in both posts is erratic and hard to follow. I'm not a perfect writer, in fact I am actually dyslexic but I still manage. I'm not going to be blamed for misunderstanding if you cannot convey yourself clearly.

Either way, a poppy is a symbol for something bigger but in itself is just a bit of paper and plastic. Don't let the actions of a few dent your bolder belief in something. Cartoons, satirists and general idiots in this country take the piss out of muslims all the time. It is not worth starting a war over now is it. That would be my response. Also, sometimes by giving airtime to nonsense just fuels more hate one way or another. Calm it.

untamedstylist Wrote:

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> Berry berry I do appologies if my illiterate

> writing confused u somewhat, I guess we are not

> all writers but we can get our point across pretty

> clearly to those with an open mind who don't

> criticise EVERYTHING that does not conform to

> Thier standards!!!!!! God I hate nit pickers, god

> forgive someone might make a grammatical error or

> not write something in the format

> traditionalised!!!! We didn't all have university

> diplomas in writers skills shame on me for

> studying non academic subjects... FML!!!

[Pearson]

or the burning of the Koran by some weirdo American extremists