Brendan Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 It?s not really cricket is it but then there really are more important things to be outraged by than 35 arseholes who think it?s big and clever to be rude about an international day of tribute to the dead. What I find more offensive is that there actually exists something called the English Defence League who had gathered nearby to have some sort of nationalist barney with these idiots. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14290-the-disrespecting-of-remembrance-day-by-muslim-extremists/page/2/#findComment-382557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
reggie Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 Is it important to be outraged? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14290-the-disrespecting-of-remembrance-day-by-muslim-extremists/page/2/#findComment-382577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpetuousVrouw Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 Some Muslims I know who are not extreme oe even active do have a thing about the West and their crusades in the past. Can't blame them really because we did go and slaughter thousands of them in the name of Christianity. Some see the current Western push against Muslim countries as a renewal of the original crusades.I'm not a fan of war myself and don't really go in for the whole poppy thing so the actions of the 35 Muslims (who didn't seem particularly extreme to me) didn't shock or outrage me.Is it any worse than burning other symbols in protest? The original poster said it shouldn't be allowed. Why not? Because their views might not reflect those of the mainstream?You might not be happy with the way that they expressed their anger at what they see as a Western Crusade against Muslims, but aren't they entitled to express that view? Or do you think the State should control the population's rights to assembly and/or protest? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14290-the-disrespecting-of-remembrance-day-by-muslim-extremists/page/2/#findComment-382579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santerme Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 I would argue that I defended the right for these people to defame a symbol lots of people hold in respect.That is the irony they do not comprehend Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14290-the-disrespecting-of-remembrance-day-by-muslim-extremists/page/2/#findComment-382586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpetuousVrouw Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 I agree, I think they have no right to get their knickers in a twist about cartoon Mohammed too if they want the right to burn poppies. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14290-the-disrespecting-of-remembrance-day-by-muslim-extremists/page/2/#findComment-382602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
taper Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 didn't some white christian british Celtic fans similarly insult the memory of our veterans a few days ago? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14290-the-disrespecting-of-remembrance-day-by-muslim-extremists/page/2/#findComment-382607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpetuousVrouw Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 I think so, but that's not as shocking and newsworthy for some reason! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14290-the-disrespecting-of-remembrance-day-by-muslim-extremists/page/2/#findComment-382609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 How can anyone be pissed off with the west for the crusades? That's ludicrous.That's like still being pissed off with the Mongols for Gengis Khan.Plus it's a bit having it both ways to remember their being invaded, but conveniently forgetting the fact that the original Muslim Arabs invaded pretty much everyone, including Spain and France 300 years before the crusades, and invaded Europe again 300 years later, stopped at the gates of Vienna.Anyway, even discussing Islam in respect to this is missing the point. Islamism as a political philosophy owes an infinitely greater debt to Robespierre than it does Mohammed. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14290-the-disrespecting-of-remembrance-day-by-muslim-extremists/page/2/#findComment-382614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 "didn't some white christian british Celtic fans similarly insult the memory of our veterans a few days ago?"See my comments a few posts back, catch up ;)Must have taken more than 35 people mind. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14290-the-disrespecting-of-remembrance-day-by-muslim-extremists/page/2/#findComment-382616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisiana Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 re taper's post: Did they?Sigh.The world has a lot of twits in it.Let's just ignore the twits. Or we'll be descending to their level. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14290-the-disrespecting-of-remembrance-day-by-muslim-extremists/page/2/#findComment-382617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpetuousVrouw Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 Mockney, I'm not making a judgement on whether their obsession with the crusades is logcal. I merely pointed out that many Muslims think the recent actions against Muslim countries is a resurgence of the Christian crusades. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14290-the-disrespecting-of-remembrance-day-by-muslim-extremists/page/2/#findComment-382618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockney piers Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 We'll go with not logical then. Sadly Bush's constant use of the term crusade, and the deliberate framing of the war on terror as a clash of civilisations only served to stoked the flames, which of course played as much into Bin Laden's hands as it did into Cheney's. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14290-the-disrespecting-of-remembrance-day-by-muslim-extremists/page/2/#findComment-382619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keef Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 ImpetuousVrouw Wrote:---------------------------------------------> You might not be happy with the way that they> expressed their anger at what they see as a> Western Crusade against Muslims, but aren't they> entitled to express that view? I think you may be crediting this particular group with more brains than they actually have. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14290-the-disrespecting-of-remembrance-day-by-muslim-extremists/page/2/#findComment-382621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 Why do they do it? For publicity.What to the people yelling 'THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!" doing. Give them publicity.Why do you do it? Why are you suckered in every time? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14290-the-disrespecting-of-remembrance-day-by-muslim-extremists/page/2/#findComment-382627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
berryberry Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 Spelling and grammar tend to be learnt sometime before you get to university. Did I say I was a writer or university educated? It is not a little error your writing in both posts is erratic and hard to follow. I'm not a perfect writer, in fact I am actually dyslexic but I still manage. I'm not going to be blamed for misunderstanding if you cannot convey yourself clearly. Either way, a poppy is a symbol for something bigger but in itself is just a bit of paper and plastic. Don't let the actions of a few dent your bolder belief in something. Cartoons, satirists and general idiots in this country take the piss out of muslims all the time. It is not worth starting a war over now is it. That would be my response. Also, sometimes by giving airtime to nonsense just fuels more hate one way or another. Calm it.untamedstylist Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Berry berry I do appologies if my illiterate> writing confused u somewhat, I guess we are not> all writers but we can get our point across pretty> clearly to those with an open mind who don't> criticise EVERYTHING that does not conform to> Thier standards!!!!!! God I hate nit pickers, god> forgive someone might make a grammatical error or> not write something in the format> traditionalised!!!! We didn't all have university> diplomas in writers skills shame on me for> studying non academic subjects... FML!!! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14290-the-disrespecting-of-remembrance-day-by-muslim-extremists/page/2/#findComment-382643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearson Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 or the burning of the Koran by some weirdo American extremists Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/14290-the-disrespecting-of-remembrance-day-by-muslim-extremists/page/2/#findComment-382692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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