changes at the Flying Pig

[ED_The Flying Pig]

Hey guys!

so a few changes are in force from now, these include:

SKY SPORTS!!! yes we finally have SKY SPORTS!

Wing night is slightly changing in the way that we are adding a new addition!.... JD BBQ WINGS!

and of course, new beers ;)

see you all soon

Managment

[Sue]

Any reason why you now have three threads running?

[poppet27]

Is this a joke? No words could put me off more than SKY SPORTS. Some people wanted good food a good atmosphere - sports on the TV take it into Benidorm bar territory.

So disappointed. Guess I won't be visiting anymore.

[DulwichFox]

They have Sky Sports in the EDT..

Gets rammed but many people just sit there nursing a pint and the place empties out after the game.

Means no tables for people to eat and they would of stopped serving food by the time the game ends.

Also attracts a lot of non regular 'Idiots' who 'Support' Premiership teams and have never been to an actual game.

YEEESSSSSSS...GET IN THERE.. WHOOOOOOAAAAAAAAA. :)

Not sure it would fit The Flying Pig.?

Foxy.

[Seabag]

JD Wings Night and Sky Sports ?

It's sounding more and more like a Peter Kay sketch

[DovertheRoad]

Haha Seabag.

Just curious...did you have a groundswell of customers actually asking for Sky or was it a management idea to drum up more customers. When you see SKY SPORTS brandished LOUD it's often a last roll of the dice - a business on its arse -and puts me off.

Lots of pubs manage to let sports, good food and other stuff like DJs co-exist well but you have to get the balance right or you'll see revenue drop from your past customers and replaced with less attractive revenue from others (see Fox above).

Tbh you have a decent venue. Good location, good beers, nice long bar, decent staff and that bbq history that's in the name. It's just needs tweaked in the right way...an improved food offering and a redesign of that strangely atmosphere free back space. A good commercial interiors person will sort you out.

Don't mess it up! And good luck with it.

[Seabag]

DovertheRoad Wrote:

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> Haha Seabag.

>

I know, I'm a laugh a minute!

But who owns the place? If it's the same old lot that own the other restaurant, then sadly not a hope in hell.

If JD BBQ WINGS and Golf live on SKY SPORTS are the highlight of the year, then no, not for me.

Good luck, to all.

[Earl Aelfheah]

poppet27 Wrote:

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> Is this a joke? No words could put me off more

> than SKY SPORTS. Some people wanted good food a

> good atmosphere - sports on the TV take it into

> Benidorm bar territory.

>

> So disappointed. Guess I won't be visiting

> anymore.

^this

[poppet27]

I'm still caught between wondering if this is an April Fool's or just quite a misguided idea.

Flying Pig; as Dover said, you have great food, a single-minded idea, good beers, friendly staff, a pretty good interior and great location. Most importantly, know your audience. This is East Dulwich, not the East End. ED is a mix of affluent families, original London residents and creative couples with no kids. It's hardly a fit for the type of things people are attuned to in the area, and I would think you're going to put a helluva lot of high-value customers off. I'm talking from the point of view of marketing, not as a resident. It's as off as Greggs selling champagne, or buying an Audi and putting a pink fluffy dice in it.

Bums on seats for sport shows doesn't equate to higher profits. Better to be a really, really good restaurant that takes pride in its food and atmosphere than attempt to pull in a completely new type of audience. That way, you'll get higher frequencies and people spending more per visit.

[Seabag]

I get the feeling that 'management' wants SKY themselves, maybe to watch all the sports they imagined they'd missed whilst running a bar.

[titch juicy]

The management opened a thread on here asking what people wanted from the Flying Pig. Quite a lot of people said Sky Sports (me included). They already showed sports, just not sky sports.

Beer and live football in the pub is a big draw and always has been, irrespective of location and no amount of sneering will change that.

I'm sorry if this offends people, but I welcome a decent pub that isn't a child magnet. There's plenty of places that are in ED already.

I'll be using the pub more often now as will plenty of others. Id much rather listen to a football crowd and commentary than screaming children being left to their own devices and running round ruining the pub experience for everyone.

[titch juicy]

poppet27 Wrote:

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> I'm still caught between wondering if this is an

> April Fool's or just quite a misguided idea.

>

> Flying Pig; as Dover said, you have great food, a

> single-minded idea, good beers, friendly staff, a

> pretty good interior and great location. Most

> importantly, know your audience. This is East

> Dulwich, not the East End. ED is a mix of affluent

> families, original London residents and creative

> couples with no kids. It's hardly a fit for the

> type of things people are attuned to in the area,

> and I would think you're going to put a helluva

> lot of high-value customers off. I'm talking from

> the point of view of marketing, not as a resident.

> It's as off as Greggs selling champagne, or buying

> an Audi and putting a pink fluffy dice in it.

>

> Bums on seats for sport shows doesn't equate to

> higher profits. Better to be a really, really good

> restaurant that takes pride in its food and

> atmosphere than attempt to pull in a completely

> new type of audience. That way, you'll get higher

> frequencies and people spending more per visit.

I don't think you have a good grasp of the demographic here. There are a hell of a lot of football fans in ED (2,000 average home gates at DHFC testify to that) and a lot of Rugby fans too. There are also a lot of craft beer fans -Bossman Wines, or whatever it's called now and Hop, Burns and Black testify to that. I think if you add wings and burgers into a sport and good beer mix, you're on to a big winner.

Despite what Foxy says above, the average football/rugby fan watching a game in a pub will put away a lot of booze.

[red devil]

I don't mind Sky Sports or screaming kids, if I wanted peace and solitude I'd go to a church...or an Arsenal home game :)

[titch juicy]

red devil Wrote:

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> I don't mind Sky Sports or screaming kids, if I

> wanted peace and solitude I'd go to a church...or

> an Arsenal home game :)

ha! fair enough.

[Seabag]

titch juicy Wrote:

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> The management opened a thread on here asking what

> people wanted from the Flying Pig. Quite a lot of

> people said Sky Sports (me included). They already

> showed sports, just not sky sports.

>

> Beer and live football in the pub is a big draw

> and always has been, irrespective of location and

> no amount of sneering will change that.

>

> I'm sorry if this offends people, but I welcome a

> decent pub that isn't a child magnet. There's

> plenty of places that are in ED already.

>

> I'll be using the pub more often now as will

> plenty of others. Id much rather listen to a

> football crowd and commentary than screaming

> children being left to their own devices and

> running round ruining the pub experience for

> everyone.

I get all of that.

Have fun.

I too gave up on pubs when they became a cr?che on Sunday's

[DovertheRoad]

But the FP seldom had many kids in...the odd one or two who leave after a quick lunch perhaps. I stand by my view and I guess time will tell!

[Seabag]

I think the conclusion is that

The FP is rubbish

But it hasn't got kids

It has beer

It has sport

It now has added sport

And JD Wings

It's actually alright, if that's funkin' your pumpkin.