Poor transport links: any one else thinking of fleeing East Dulwich?

[????]

For some people Working Class equals rough....they also don't like hostile tones and cockney accents I reckon

[DulwichLondoner]

Some people who bought here 15 years ago are always telling me how rough it used to be, but, to be fair, their definition of 'rough' might simply be a working class area where no one sells overprice organic kale juice :)

[eastdulwichhenry]

I find the transport fine. Regular trains and buses. Dont't want the tube, it just turns areas into urban hell.

[????]

East Dulwich rough in 2002? That's hysterical - fook me some people have had sheltered lives

[Elphinstone's Army]

I have never at any point described East Dulwich as a 'rough' area, or working class even.

Yes I am describing it from my pov what else.

And how it has pulled itself up to be the desirable area it is today.

I have family in Sydenham Louisa, in Venner Road, close to East Penge station

Penge, I do not know really so no comment. If I want a centre with Wilko, Waitrose, Primark, Bank, Building Society, Zizzi, Oxfam Shop (books and music, huge new Poundland and H&M, I go to Bromley.

Also the notion that anyone could describe East Dulwich as an inner city hellhole, hyperbole and exaggeration allowing, is arrant nonsense.

And you are veering off topic, this is a thread about transport, nest ce pas? and alternative areas.

You would think I was the one leaving and poisoning the well which is not the case.

What you diehards fail to understand is that I and others, choose to live here, and not necessarily having moved from a deprived, or 'rough' area.

Beyond the Pale.

[KidKruger]

I've been here 27 years and it was fine then. Sure, a couple of pubs got a bit rough and you had the odd tumble in the bogs but hardly the Bronx.

Just because Cath Kidston tablecloths weren't being used on pub tables and snacks weren't served on slates doesn't qualify it as rough. I think, given the change in demographic in ED - especially over the last 15yrs, there's bound to be myths / bollox about what it used to be like. Just a shame so many of them are such BS.

[Louisa]

Genuinely EA, I don't from my perspective of growing up locally and living around here for decades and decades, at any point in its history would it be on a par with (for example), Peckham or Brixton back in the day. The odd boozer had some dodgy crowds now and then, but if you go back before Sainsbury's moved into the area in 92/93 I think? Lordship Lane had plenty of independent bakeries, butchers and grocery shops which were used by the local populace without much in the way of crime. You certainly wouldn't have needed a minder walking along the lane in the 80's.

I'm not digging you out here personally, but it does upset me when I hear people talk negatively about the place that has been such a massive part of my life for so long. The trouble with the 'G' word is, it wipes the slate clean for longstanding neighbourhoods and it's almost as if this place didn't exist before the populace changed. It's quite upsetting tbh.

Louisa.

[rendelharris]

DulwichLondoner Wrote:

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> Some people who bought here 15 years ago are

> always telling me how rough it used to be, but, to

> be fair, their definition of 'rough' might simply

> be a working class area where no one sells

> overprice organic kale juice :)

When I lived in Brixton in the late '90s ED was a place one came to occasionally for a nice relaxed quiet night, curry and a civilised pint - in fact I can recall the cool lads (of whom I most emphatically was not one!) describing it as "sleepy suburbs"!

[Otta]

Louisa Wrote:

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> The trouble with the 'G' word is, it wipes the slate clean for longstanding

> neighbourhoods and it's almost as if this place

> didn't exist before the populace changed. It's

> quite upsetting tbh.

Well said. And possibly your most honest post in 10 years ;-)

I live in Penge now, and it's still a little bit rough around the edges, and it reminds me of ED in the 90s. (Rough around the edges, is not "rough"). But gentrification definitely more than creeping in.

[????]

Yes - so basically, as this thread shows, anyone who actually was here back in the day is laughing at the 'rough' myth because it is complete bullshit!

[????]

Another point is by modern middle class standards most of 70s/80s London would be considered rough - including some of what are now massively wealthy areas

[KidKruger]

To be fair, I do remember a time here when ED was so rough there were no high-fashion prams crowding the pavement, trinket shops, ?17.50 hot dogs, gastro-pubs or hipsters.

Proper scary rough that was.

[Mystic Mog]

DulwichLondoner Wrote:

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> Some people who bought here 15 years ago are

> always telling me how rough it used to be, but, to

> be fair, their definition of 'rough' might simply

> be a working class area where no one sells

> overprice organic kale juice :)

They must be really upset, they chose to move into a "rough" area and its changed now!

Yes ????, complete nonsense.

[????]

In reality, I think a lot of the gentrification had already happened by 2002

[Elphinstone's Army]

Louisa, I would not dream of upsetting you or any long term resident -

My remarks have been taken out of a contextual argument - I never said this area was rough.

Yes of course East Dulwich existed,

but in a different array, as anywhere old folks die off, young couples move in, have families, change the nature of

an area for child centric facilities, and a new, modern outlook and aspirations.

This is the evolution of place and not confined to East Dulwich by any means.

Despite another poster's selective reading,

I described East Dulwich as civilised.

This thread is so off topic it might as well be in Balham.

[Elphinstone's Army]

Ki

[Mystic Mog]

Love the thought of Catherine Cookson tablecloths, her books are quite bleak, maybe a reminder to how bad E. Dulwich was before the G word! Give me strength!

Shame you edited KK. Catherine Cookson was much funnier. ☺

[Elphinstone's Army]

???? Wrote:

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> For some people Working Class equals rough....they

> also don't like hostile tones and cockney accents

> I reckon

you are attempting to twist my words, which were articulate true and eloquent

I never said East Dulwich had been rough and you know it

Go pick on someone else

with less than two hours left of St Patrick's day,

pog mo thoin

[KidKruger]

"Cath Kidston"

Oh yeah !

And that's without beer !!!

[KidKruger]

BTW what's the 'G' word ?

[edhistory]

Elphinstone's Army Wrote:

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> East Dulwich has made itself what it is.. years

> ago it was a well dodgy area

Ignorant.

[Mystic Mog]

Gentrification!

[Elphinstone's Army]

edhistory Wrote:

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> Elphinstone's Army Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

>

> > East Dulwich has made itself what it is.. years

> > ago it was a well dodgy area

>

> Ignorant.

no it isn't ignorant it's honest and not rose tinted and you are attempting to invalidate my life here

one word does not an erstwhile experience destroy

besides which it is a lazy argument not worthy of your usual robust and erudite offerings

[Elphinstone's Army]

Anyway I am sure the OP will be hastened away by all this and good luck to him, goodnight everyone !

[rendelharris]

'Night Elph - if nothing else "This thread is so off topic it might as well be in Balham" is one of the best lines I've seen on here for some time!