Happy Brexit Day

[keano77]

The posturing is shaping up for an ugly fight with the EU handing Spain a veto on Gibraltar.

I suggest we use some of the ?58.7 Billion we pay the EU each second to fund the separatist Catalans, Basques and Breton nationalists to sow discord. That'll learn 'em

[jaywalker]

Nice one Keano77, although of course they do not need to be handed a veto: they already, as a member of the 27, have one. The game theoretic reality is that this is 1 to 27: in this sense the EU does not exist in this negotiation. So what do we think the countries with large populations over here doing their excellent work will be insisting upon?

Meanwhile, in fantasy land, I am greatly looking forward to our now imminent war with Spain (such a nice homology with The Falklands) - (irony emoticon - I fear this needs emphasis these days). I see on the BBC "have your say" website that Brexiters are arguing for this. We think we are a great imperial power, so we must keep strategic access to the Med and defend 'our' people. So lets see what some exocets will do to change the Spanish mind. I suspect the good people of Gibralter may have other ideas given how they voted in the referendum, as may the people of Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales and er ... London.

It has all unravelled so fast: I wonder if the Brexit camp can face this. I doubt it. They will just get more strident and stupid.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Thank god May confirmed that Brexit is goin to be red white and blue. My biggest concern in all of this hasn't been a loss of rights or damage to the economy, but what colours would be conjured in my mind by an infantilising politician.

[midivydale]

Right here we are. Is there a local immugration lawyer around? If so please PM, thanks

[Loz]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> You do know that's a Photoshop amendment of the

> Leave bus, not a real bus?!

Ha ha. I can't believe someone had to actually say this.

[Otta]

I said this elsewhere yesterday, but being as we are still EU members for the next 2 years, do you think they might lend us a negotiator, so that brexit looks less like a 5 year old debating quantum physics with Stephen Hawking?

[Seabag]

I listened to R4 today, and Ian Duncan Smith was on there.

Did he say "52,000 separate pieces of legislation to go through" in 2 years?

He said something to the effect of "If we don't get distracted and we're disciplined, we can do it"

Now in my very simple maths, that's 500 laws a week to transpose, before the deadline. And there's the minor point of a country to run.

*plays Chariots of Fire sound track*

[JoeLeg]

Seabag Wrote:

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> I listened to R4 today, and Ian Duncan Smith was

> on there.

>

> Did he say "52,000 separate pieces of legislation

> to go through" in 2 years?

>

> He said something to the effect of "If we don't

> get distracted and we're disciplined, we can do

> it"

>

> Now in my very simple maths, that's 500 laws a

> week to transpose, before the deadline. And

> there's the minor point of a country to run.

>

>

>

> *plays Chariots of Fire sound track*

Also known as "if it doesn't happen then it's everyone else's fault for not letting us do what we want when we want."

[malumbu]

keano77 Wrote:

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> The posturing is shaping up for an ugly fight with

> the EU handing Spain a veto on Gibraltar.

>

> I suggest we use some of the ?58.7 Billion we pay

> the EU each second to fund the separatist

> Catalans, Basques and Breton nationalists to sow

> discord. That'll learn 'em

We could also support a united Ireland.

Brittany is one of the poorest regions in a major economies in Europe and does very well out of the EU. Why would they want to leave? You wouldn't expect Cornwall and Wales to do similar would you now?

Anyway there are already communites just counting down the days before they leave in at least two of those regions - the British expats. At least Gibraltar new which side their bread was buttered.

[Townleygreen]

malumbu, Wales voted for Brexit.

God knows why.

[????]

Anyway nice to see the good old EU using Gibraltans as bargaining chips - where's the outrage EDF or are we inconsistent and hypocritical in our hate on this sort of disgusting behaviour - moral high ground lost EU (not a surprise given their form/integrity though)

[Loz]

Townleygreen Wrote:

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> malumbu, Wales voted for Brexit.

>

> God knows why.

I think malumbu was going for some sort of irony.

But, if that wasn't the case, so did Cornwall. And then they was shocked to find Brexit means they have lost ?60m worth of annual EU finding.

[jaywalker]

malumbu Wrote:

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> We could also support a united Ireland.

this has now become a mainstream possibility: see the reviews in the FT today. Dublin has (after a taboo of 15 years or so) begun to talk about it explicitly. It may be this or a wall (hard brexit would demand one).

should we not now try to support a united London? The M25 is not a bad sketch for a wall.

[jaywalker]

Townleygreen Wrote:

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> malumbu, Wales voted for Brexit.

>

> God knows why.

Lost in translation?

[jaywalker]

???? Wrote:

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> Anyway nice to see the good old EU using

> Gibraltans as bargaining chips - where's the

> outrage EDF or are we inconsistent and

> hypocritical in our hate on this sort of

> disgusting behaviour - moral high ground lost EU

> (not a surprise given their form/integrity though)

hate? disgusting?

now there was I thinking the UK had triggered a divorce that the other party did not want at all. One based on stupidity: xenophobia, a misunderstanding of the nature of trade, an atavistic fear of immigration not to mention the culture of the other. A paradigmatic expression of ressentiment of cosmopolitanism, liberal values, and a modern understanding of the way the economy works.

So yes, I guess your words express ressentiment with some precision.

[Loz]

???? Wrote:

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> Anyway nice to see the good old EU using

> Gibraltans as bargaining chips - where's the

> outrage EDF or are we inconsistent and

> hypocritical in our hate on this sort of

> disgusting behaviour - moral high ground lost EU

> (not a surprise given their form/integrity though)

Gibraltar itself itself is not on the table, just the border with Spain, no? And considering Spain has been a law unto itself as far as the Gibraltan border is concerned even whilst Britain has been in the EU, surely this is just business as usual anyway?

[????]

Come on Loz - from the EU negotiating team after all the crap about remembering 'these are people' etc,

[jaywalker]

???? said "crap"

if what you want to do is get rid of some aggression, then why not go and kick a ball around the park?

[keano77]

Haven't a clue what you're babbling on about jaywalker

One too many watching the Liverpool v Everton game at lunchtime?

[Loz]

Quids, I know you are *really* stretching this to try and make this more than it is, but it just not the same. Border controls are not the same as forcing people to move countries.

ETA: what is jaywalker on about?

[keano77]

To give you the benefit of doubt Loz, I can with a rational hat on, see why the EU might be wise not to take sides in an international dispute over sovereignty.

But don't forget what we're dealing with here - a body that ordered the plunder of People's bank accounts in Cyprus.

Say no more

[malumbu]

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> > We could also support a united Ireland.

>

> this has now become a mainstream possibility: see

> the reviews in the FT today. Dublin has (after a

> taboo of 15 years or so) begun to talk about it

> explicitly. It may be this or a wall (hard brexit

> would demand one).

>

> should we not now try to support a united London?

> The M25 is not a bad sketch for a wall.

London outer boroughs would be outside of this but we could have an extenstion to Brighton, in the way that East Berlin was connected to West Germany.

The outer Boroughs would be happy - Bromley would be in Kent again, Dagenham in Essex, and Middlesex be more that a postal address.

[keano77]

What would a united London signify? I guess that about about 50% go 'Londoners' weren't born in London. Who is qualified to vote on behalf of 'Londoners'?

[red devil]

Sounds like an isolationist reaction against isolationism...

[Loz]

keano77 Wrote:

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> To give you the benefit of doubt Loz, I can with a rational hat on, see why the EU might be wise no

> to take sides in an international dispute over sovereignty.

>

> But don't forget what we're dealing with here - a body that ordered the plunder of People's bank

> accounts in Cyprus.

>

> Say no more

Well, I certainly didn't that little tangent coming...