8 June

[JoeLeg]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> It doesn't come across at all well when he says

> he's pro-choice, but refuses to say "no, it's not

> wrong".

>

> It's a strange sort of dichotomy... as a liberal

> he believes in individual liberty, but at the same

> time has private views grounded in religion which

> he's unwilling to share.

>

I disagree, personally. I think it's good that on a subject like abortion, which let's face it he plainly opposes, he understands that his personal religious views have no place in government legislation.

L

> I'll probably be voting LD, but I think he's the

> wrong man to lead the party, and a poor choice as

> a figurehead for British liberalism. A missed

> opportunity in the current political landscape.

I go back and forth between Labour and LD, but I think Farron is as good as anyone for them right now. I can't think of anyone who cold do better, certainly. They're in a lot of trouble, and will take years to rebuild, if they can.

[Angelina]

Unearned Inheritance profit - also Capital Gains.

Should someone be penalised because their property value has increased?

What about the taxes they have paid during their lifetime? Why should old people have to pay for care when other types of illnesses are funded?

They already pay inheritance tax on their capital gains (well, technically the estate does)

[Jeremy]

JoeLeg Wrote:

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> I disagree, personally. I think it's good that on

> a subject like abortion, which let's face it he

> plainly opposes, he understands that his personal

> religious views have no place in government

> legislation.

Yeah I know what you mean, and I do appreciate the fact he makes a point of separating his personal beliefs from legislation/governance. It shows maturity and a sense of perspective. But nevertheless, I think liberal-minded people may feel uneasy about voting for a leader with these beliefs. And I know I'm biased here, but I generally place more trust in the judgement of the non-religious.

> They're in a lot of trouble, and will take years to rebuild, if they can.

It's quite possible that we're going to see the Labour party splitting into two factions, which would possibly render the LDs obsolete...

[Dogkennelhillbilly]

" I do appreciate the fact he makes a point of separating his personal beliefs from legislation/governance"

He didn't vote for gay marriage to become law because of his religious objections. It is Lib Dem codswallop that Farron separates his religious beliefs from his voting.

[jaywalker]

I genuinely thought that the Lib Dems would become a focal point for the European ideal. Nothing like this has happened. I have found during the campaign that I have no empathy with the leader - my atheism I suspect, for better or worse; but also I want someone who personally BELIEVES in freedom of sexual expression and other forward-looking social change and is free of the constraints of religious faith.

[Earl Aelfheah]

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[Jeremy]

jaywalker Wrote:

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> I have found during the campaign that I have no empathy with the leader -

> my atheism I suspect, for better or worse; but

> also I want someone who personally BELIEVES in

> freedom of sexual expression and other

> forward-looking social change and is free of the

> constraints of religious faith.

Yes I think that sums up the way I've started to feel.

Like I say... they'll probably still get my vote though.

[MarkT]

We are trying to contact Robin Lambert and Rashid Nix to invite them to a Hustings at the East Dulwich Community Centre next Tuesday 30th 7-9pm. Can anybody help to get a message to them?

All the other local candidates are planning to be there.

MarkT

[jaywalker]

I have decided to let the weekend pass before returning to politics. Seems only right. Yet in a way I wish they had not been abandoned even in the face of such terrible events. And I wish the government had suspended its own involvement entirely: it would be a good thing if, during an election campaign, except in the most dire emergencies in which the nation itself was under threat, we had a technocracy (decisions made, but also announced, only by expert civil servants).

[Jules-and-Boo]

Can we have our police back now please? Theresa May didn't think we needed them, but I kind of disagree with her.

She's looking lamer by the day.

[Winder]

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> Can we have our police back now please?

Had the Manchester atrocity happened 3 weeks earlier, I wonder how many manifestos would have featured a cutback in the foreign aid budget to fund anti-terrorism at home.

[jaywalker]

Tory lead has halved again now to only 5% in the poll in the Times today - they are projected now to lose seats: poll suggests a majority of only 2. Pound is falling sharply.

[Earl Aelfheah]

FFS. Everytime I travel to Europe, the pound seems to drop again.

[Earl Aelfheah]

jaywalker Wrote:

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> Tory lead has halved again now to only 5% in the

> poll in the Times today - they are projected now

> to lose seats: poll suggests a majority of only 2.

> Pound is falling sharply.

That can't be right - the press told me that Labour were going to be wiped out, that the election was going to be the end of the party.

[Borky]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> FFS. Everytime I travel to Europe, the pound seems

> to drop again.

After brexit, you will have no need to leave this sceptered isle - everything you will ever have wanted will be here.

[JohnL]

Corbyn has made a speech on Security - and it wasn't bad.

The old guy thrives in this type of campaign - May (probably will still win) but she made a mistake here.

[Jules-and-Boo]

you are kidding Rahrahrah?

The press are on the side of the Tories so of course will say that Labour will be wiped out. This is in the ambition people (voters) will take Labour out of the equation and vote Lib Dems as a strategic vote to stop the Tories getting in...... only to find later that if they'd not been influenced by the press then they would have voted Labour and Labour would have won.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> you are kidding Rahrahrah?

Yes

[????]

interesting that since the recent opinion polls all the tinfoil hatted Canary led - "fake polls" "all owned by tories" garbage has disappeared off Social Media

[Earl Aelfheah]

It's not that interesting tbh. Not as interesting as a possible swing of 15 points in around 3 weeks. But each to their own.

[????]

"Fake polls"

[Earl Aelfheah]

I don't actually think there is much chance of a Labour victory, but never the less May has royally cocked up this campaign.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Good source of analysis https://election2017.ifs.org.uk/

[titch juicy]

A couple of interesting pieces from the IFS regarding manifesto costing, spending and truthfulness.

This shows that the Lib Dems are pledging a hell of a lot more to the welfare state than Labour and that their costings are more realistic.

https://election2017.ifs.org.uk/article/income-tax-and-benefits-the-liberal-democrats-and-labour-compared

This shows that unsurprisingly both main parties are being economical with the truth

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40057115

[Earl Aelfheah]

I read an interesting post by an academic today saying that there is very little capacity in the civil service to deliver anything much in the next parliament. All effort will be focused on Brexit (which is much more complicated than either party admit) and that the short to medium term economic impact of it (something even pro-brexit economists agree will be negative), will severely limit attempts to do much of anything in policy terms. Neither Renationalisations (from Labour), nor big changes to education (from the Tories) are likely to succeed.