8 June

[red devil]

A Tory who lost his seat has been saying the same thing, see 14.06 on the feed...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2017-40231623

[Jenny1]

I just hope we don't get foisted with Boris.

[red devil]

Check out 14.14 on that feed. If this isn't a crisis etc...

[red devil]

May's situation in a nutshell...

[Saffron]

Just came across this... https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/jun/10/campaign-a-poem-by-carol-ann-duffy-exclusively-for-the-guardian

In which her body was a question-mark

querying her lies; her mouth a ballot-box that bit the hand that fed. Her eyes? They swivelled for a jackpot win. Her heart was a stolen purse;

her rhetoric an empty vicarage, the windows smashed.

Then her feet grew sharp stilettos, awkward.

Then she had balls, believe it.

When she woke,

her nose was bloody, difficult.

The furious young

ran towards her through the fields of wheat.

-Carol Ann Duffy

[Lordship 516]

May is not friendless at all..

She has Boris to take care of her back...

Gove will protect her against Boris...

Hammond will wait till she slips up...

Davis will give her a great performance in Brussels...

The DUP that will support her for a price...

Andrea Leadsome [DUP lite] who will give advice from a distance...

- she advised early already to get rid of SPADS.

Gideon who will always tell it how it is...

Yup...The list is endless - all good friends...HAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

[rendelharris]

Now if you want some proper poetry...

Goodbye T?resa May

Though I never liked you at all,

You?re lacking grace, you fooled yourself

And now you?ve got fuck all.

You crawled out of the woodwork

As if you weren?t Remain

You said that you could sort things out,

You ran a shite campaign?

And it seems to me your party?s rife

With old farts full of wind

You had the press all on your side

But still you couldn?t win.

And I wish we?d never known you

And now you?re on the skids

I?d tell you what I think of you

But decency forbids.

[jaywalker]

Looks like May is actually trying to make a formal agreement with the DUP.

Madness. And when she appears in Parliament this will be clear - and from her own side.

Time for Ruth Davidson to step up. 13 is more than 10: she can dictate to May and the stupid suited-ones.

[Alan Medic]

The government aligning itself with a party in Northern Ireland is plain wrong. How can they play the role of a neutral referee?

[Windrush]

jaywalker Wrote:

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>

> Time for Ruth Davidson to step up. 13 is more than

> 10: she can dictate to May and the stupid

> suited-ones.

Scottish Tory seats are already included in TM's total.

[JoeLeg]

Yes. So if Ruth Davidson decides to mess with Theresa, the govt has no majority, providing the issue covers the whole of the Union.

[Green Goose]

Lordship 516 Wrote:

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> The DUP consist of ex-paramilitary

> members/sympathizers - Ulster Resistance & UVF

> Hard on maintaining relationship with the rest of

> the United Kingdom at any cost

> Climate change deniers

> Hard on Civil Rights

> Hard on abortion

> Hard on Gay marriage & LBGT rights - how they will

> get on with the new openly gay Taoiseach will be

> interesting

> Hard on immigration - racist & sexist overtones

> throughout their history even from Arlene Foster -

> described Michelle O'Neill as 'blonde'

>

Agreed entirely. The DUP are stuck in a 1970's time warp.

But hang on a bit, that's just like Jeremy who wants to take us back to nationalisation, union militancy, widespread strikes, flight of capital, plus wastefull spending funded by borrowing leading to devaluation of Sterling.

[jaywalker]

Windrush, do keep up.

I think this is the most odious thing I have seen in central government politics for a long time.

It seems likely that given the reaction already on social media (to which the Tories seem simply to be blind) this will do them extraordinary damage (and rightly).

Perhaps it should be made clear: getting in to bed with the DUP is inconsistent with everything the excellent Davidson (and any forward-thinking and electable) Tory stands for.

[JoeLeg]

Well then GG, ain't it lucky it's just the bigoted, racist, reactionary, religiously driven idiots with links to terrorists that we have to deal with?

As you yourself pointed out, there's a lot of of overlap at the fringes.

[keano77]

If you look at this objectively, anyone who voted Labour, however good his or her intentions, is indirectly responsible for the DUP being the power brokers.

The old adage, careful what you wish for comes to mind.

[JoeLeg]

keano77 Wrote:

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> If you look at this objectively, anyone who voted

> Labour, however good his or her intentions, is

> indirectly responsible for the DUP being the power

> brokers.

>

> The old adage, careful what you wish for comes to

> mind.

Seriously? That's really how you feel? So why only Labour? Why not those who voted LibDem? Or SNP? Plaid Cymru? Even Green? Nope? None of them? Just those who support Labour? Ok. Good logic there. Vote for the Tories or take responsibility for any resulting crap.

I think I'd argue that May fucked up the election campaign, alienated enough of her core vote and now has to rely on the support of some people that ordinarily she wouldn't be seen sharing a sandwich with. I think she's way more to blame than people who voted for Labour.

[keano77]

Facts are facts JoeLeg.

The success of the Labour vote resulted in the Conservatives not having a majority (the other parties all fared badly). In order to govern they now need to seek the support of the DUP.

Ergo, Labour voters can hardly complain the Tories are now supping with the devil

[red devil]

Is that the best you come up with? Twisted logic at it's best...

[JoeLeg]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Facts are facts JoeLeg.

>

> The success of the Labour vote resulted in the

> Conservatives not having a majority (the other

> parties all fared badly). In order to govern they

> now need to seek the support of the DUP.

>

> Ergo, Labour voters can hardly complain the Tories

> are now supping with the devil

Why do you only blame Labour?

Why not any other party?

Your logic is...just terrible. It's like your opinion that young people shouldn't vote because they don't contribute enough to society in financial terms.

[Seabag]

JoeLeg, you must take keano77 posts with the 'pinch of salt' they deserve.

Natural Himalayan salt that is, grated onto the dish with a Japanese stainless steel grater of the highest quality. The salt and grater become the centrepiece of the dining table when placed in the accompanying desk stand made from untreated natural oak.

Grater size 7.5 cm (height) x 5 cm (average width) x 0.1 cm (thickness)

Table stand size 6.4cm (diameter) x 1.9 cm (thickness) manufactured out of FSC-certified oak wood.

Salt rock irregular dimension, and vary between 40 to 60 grams

[rendelharris]

keano77 Wrote:

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> If you look at this objectively, anyone who voted

> Labour, however good his or her intentions, is

> indirectly responsible for the DUP being the power

> brokers.

>

> The old adage, careful what you wish for comes to

> mind.

You're quite right - the Tories should have included it in their campaign - "If you don't vote for us we're going to team up with a bunch or terrorist-sympathising swivel-eyed bigots and you've only yourselves to blame." Your logic is impeccable and I and every other Labour voter should hang our heads in shame for that which we have wrought.

[Lordship 516]

Green Goose Wrote:

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> Agreed entirely. The DUP are stuck in a 1970's

> time warp.

If only they could progress to the 1970's it would be a quantum leap for these odious people.

They are more like stuck in the 1820's & hold sectarian views that have their origin much further back.

No laughing or socializing on Sundays, kids not allowed to play, try to gerrymander council rules to fit their

view of the world etc. etc. They practice 'separation' where they discourage any involvement with non-sect

people. Eventually Rev Ian Paisley was considered too liberal so they tried to ostracize & shun him. But they do like a wad of money - a bit philistine I know but that is Christianity for you..!

These are Thearse May's new 'good friends' - not for long, I'd say.

> But hang on a bit, that's just like Jeremy who

> wants to take us back to nationalisation, union

> militancy, widespread strikes, flight of capital,

> plus wastefull spending funded by borrowing

> leading to devaluation of Sterling.

Jeremy Corbyn has a political agenda that is legitimate & he debates his views openly & inclusively;

There are many successful nationalized operations in Europe;

It is a fact that life was pretty miserable for most people before the 1911 strikes & these were targeted at businesses that were well organized & keeping wages low so their [mainly] Conservative owners could amass more profit for themselves. Worker unions grew out of oppression and they still have a place in society as do employers unions. It was widespread strikes that ultimately achieved social justice, not only in the UK but throughout the world.

Flight of capital is one of the most destabilizing factors in any economy & needs constant addressing so what is wrong about discussing this..? Is it fair that Google, Facebook, Starbucks & others come here, make vast profits & contribute a pittance in tax - I don't think so but the Tories seem to accommodate them.

Spending funded by borrowing does not lead to devaluation, it can actually lead to revaluation if applied wisely - I suggest you read up about the fiscal multiplier, financial multiplier, spending multiplier, balanced budget multiplier, accelerator effect, marginal propensity to consume - these will lead you into the area of economics that will explain how government investment [G] can have a positive effect on the economy. It is a complex area in the overall toolkit available to government & it is a valid mechanism to use to stimulate the economy if used for productive & necessary purposes such as investment in education, hospitals etc. The alternative the monetarists promote is PPP which is by far a more draining proposition - once you are into PPP there is no way to control it.

So no real comparison...

[edhistory]

Most of the Camberwell Borough Council pre-1945 housing stock was funded by 60-year Municipal Bonds.

[Green Goose]

JoeLeg Wrote:

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> Well then GG, ain't it lucky it's just the

> bigoted, racist, reactionary, religiously driven

> idiots with links to terrorists that we have to

> deal with?

>

> As you yourself pointed out, there's a lot of of

> overlap at the fringes.

If the election result was switched between Con & Labour, most of Labour would be sorely tempted to do a deal with the DUP after 7 years out of power. Even JC might compromise a few of his principles to become PM. If he didn't then there might be a coup.

[Townleygreen]

Labour do a deal with the DUP? Are you crazy? In the campaign he talked about having a minority government, hoping for Lib Dem or SNP support depending on the issue being discussed.