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Are you sure R.F.Foster was Irish? I just wonder on what grounds he thought we had an unruly nature.I question this on the grounds that we seem to have a good reputation abroad which is somewhat different to that of our English cousins in some instances.


I also thought the influence of the church was very apparent long before the nationalist struggles and don't remember ever reading of a link between the two occuring due to the 'struggles'. I believe it's only in recent years the control of the church over the people has diminished.


Am prepared to be luminated by anyone more knowledgeable on either subject. ;-)

Pretty certain he was Irish, will double check when I get home.

He's also pretty certain about the connection with the identification between religion and the nationalist struggle, though it was more rooted in the era of the late 19th century up to partition, nowt to do with the modern troubles. There's a whole bit quoting various dignitaries from Rome in the 16/17th centuries saying, 'blimey I wash my hands' etc.


And I think he meant it as a complement, rather than anything else. Plus the references for both the points were in the early chapters so 16th century where the whole idea of nationality was only just beginning to take root.


The dangers of my quoting out of context eh? Whoops.

mockney piers Wrote:

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> > But to echo downsouth, language does move on. For

> instance no one seems too bothered that we no

> longer use 'ye' as second person plural (ye irish

> types excepted of course) though I think it's a

> bit sad we lost it.

> What about cupboard, what happened to good

> old-fashioned press? etc etc

>


I am still using press for cupboard - but then I am an irish type. The term "hot press" is probably used in your house - (Irish speak for linen cupboard) - am I right Mockney?

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