sambobia Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Atticus Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Southwark council have said that the reason> Landells got approval and Archdale didn't is> because sometime during 2010(?), Southwark's> interpretation of the rules changed > > "55 Landells Road, was made under a former and> different interpretation of the General Permitted> Development Order 2008"That would account for the confusion. There are plenty of other cases, in addition to Landells, where a loft extension over the rear outrigger has been approved, in circumstances identical to Archdale. Archdale have resubmitted their application, so it will be interesting to see what happens. Having made and adhered to one interpretation of the rules, Southwark would need a very strong case for switching to a different interpretation, thereby creating the inconsistencies mentioned above. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-412245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 perhaps if Archdale then appeal the *second* application they have put in, then a different planning inspectorate will examine their case and the chances are they will interpret it the correct (eh hem) way...?just a guess like ;) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-412247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saila Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 there's a program about taking on council planning departments - about to begin on Channel 4, called Planning Outlaws Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-420948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowboarder Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Atticus - any update on this? I'm just about to launch into the world of loft conversions... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-436561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 And while we're on the subject, has anybody had a loft conversion done on a flat recently? We were told that there is no PD for flats, so it's only possible to build a small dormer at the back. But a flat on my road is in the process of having a full-width dormer built. So I'm a bit puzzled (and rather pissed off). Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-436564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMiller Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Snowboarder, this recent appeal looks promising: http://planningonline.southwarksites.com/planningonline2/AcolNetCGI.exe?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeDocs&TheSystemkey=9536966 it suggests that Southwark aren't getting support for their interpretation of the permitted development rules.Jeremy, I'd read that flats are treated differently. Probably wise to take specialist advice.Rob Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-436566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowboarder Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Flats don't benefit from pd rights generally.I need to sit down and read these regs properly I think. Hmm are the loft companies aware of the current issues I wonder? Got someone coming tomorrow so we will see.... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-436569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMiller Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Huw at classic lofts seems to have a pretty firm grip on the planning stuff. We are very happy with the work they did for us. Happy to recommend them.Rob Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-436573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowboarder Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Thanks rob - will look them up. Did they apply for (and receive) a certificate of lawfulness for you before starting on site? Or did you do that yourselves? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-436574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 No update from me - i decided that we'd wait and see what the outcome was re Southwark's inconsistencies. There must be a resolution as their actions make no sense.So it's just a waiting - we are in no rush, but i dont want to take any risks either.Rob - what is that link? i can't make it work. What makes you think things are going the right way? Have you heard anythign on Archdale?Fingers xed! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-436587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siduhe Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Atticus Wrote:> Rob - what is that link? i can't make it work.> What makes you think things are going the right> way? Have you heard anythign on Archdale?> > Fingers xed!Try http://planningonline.southwarksites.com/planningonline2/AcolNetCGI.exe?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.pgedocs&TheSystemkey=9536966 (takes a while to load)Or look up the documents/appeal decision from application 10/AP/2327. It relates to a property in SE15 (edited to correct location - not Archdale - don't know where I got that from) which got a cert of lawful development on appeal. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-436597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
damzel Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 We are just starting out on this minefield. Have seen 3 loft companies so far and are "on hold" waiting to see how other peoples appeals work out first rather than throw another one on top. One of the loft companies told me that they won't even bother quoting for the rear dormer as they know that Southwark are refusing them. Another has one on appeal currently and the last one said that you don't actually need a cert of lawfulness, you just need to ensure the loft extension is inside of the guidelines. If it is built and undisputed for 4 years, it's automatically approved anyway. I'm not comfortable with this approach personanlly but there are at least 8 similar extensions on my street which do not appear in the Southwark planning search pages so must have taken this stance. One of them was refused twice last year, then built the thing and has made another application to get it approved retrospectively!News of that appeal being recommended for success is very good! Does this mean if we put ours in now, it will be approved or will we still need to jump through some hoops? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-436847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 exactly right Damzel - basically this confusion and inconsistency is pushing people to *not* do things through the proper channels... Those of us who want to do things 'by the book', get refused. Not a great outcome. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-436858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowboarder Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I'm not sure, but imagine NOT having a certificate of lawfulness when you come to sell your house will not be a good thing.Loft companies it seems are aware of the current issues. I think we will go for the L shape extension and see how we go..will update if/when we have any news! I'm off to trawl through the guidance now... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-436894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 as long as you sell after 4 yrs you're fine... but i agree - if you sell before 4 years then you'd be in trouble! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-436913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crokes Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 HiHas anyone heard any news on this? We've been told that in the last month or so Southwark has relaxed their view on the 'double dormer' (apologies if incorrect terminology) and agrees with other London boroughs that it falls within permitted development (assuming other criteria is satisfied). Is this just hearsay or does anyone have any recent experience they can share?Many thanks.(edited for typo) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-444788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saila Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 not hearsay if you look on Southwark planning website you can see they've u-turned (again) so they are now being consistent with other boroughs perhaps arrange a mtg with someone first before putting in an application to verify their latest stance? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-444789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bels123 Posted January 22, 2013 Share Posted January 22, 2013 I know this is an old thread but have found it difficult to find anything up-to-date on Southwark's planning website regarding double dormers/L shaped. Is there anyone with an expert view who can provide the latest thoughts on whether there's any issues with them falling under permited development to update this thread? Much appreciated. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-609809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saila Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 hiyes - unless something has changed (again) it appears that it is allowed under PDmine was approved - no problem Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-610146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 Pretty sure it depends upon the percentage increase of space. So if the rear section is very long, it might not get approved. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-610328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
red devil Posted January 24, 2013 Share Posted January 24, 2013 It used to be a percentage but now there are specific volume limits - 50m3 for detached and semi-detached houses, and 40m3 for terraced houses. There are also other limits to adhere to, e.g. you can build no higher than the highest point of the existing roof. The Gov is currently looking at potential changes to PD rights, so it could all change again in the near future... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/15674-southwark-planning-have-changed-their-interpretation-of-pd-warning-if-you-want-a-loft-conversion/page/4/#findComment-610333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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