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JohnL Wrote:

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> Maybe she wants to extent the A50 period and add a

> transition period after that. She can't just

> conjure a trade agreement out of thin air in

> 2019.


Businesses want to know by the new year so they can plan ahead. It's all been done arse about face. Extending the March '19 deadline would help, but up to now she's been adamant that we'll be out of the EU by then. Still, it's not like she's never changed her mind before...

"Lord Varys: But what do we have left, once we abandon the lie? Chaos? A gaping pit waiting to swallow us all.


Petyr 'Littlefinger' Baelish: Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some, are given a chance to climb. They refuse, they cling to the realm or the gods or love. Illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is."

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/oct/24/

> universities-mccarthyism-mp-demands-list-brexit-ch

> ris-heaton-harris?CMP=share_btn_tw

>

> This doesn't bode well.


Given the censorious nature of universities and no-platforming, that's a little rich.

Not sure I agree. When politicians give even the impression that they're openly tracking the academic behaviour of people who disagree with them, it sets off alarm bells.


I do agree that there are educational establishments which have blotted their copybook where the dissenting view is concerned, but politicians must hold to a higher standard (ha! I'm aware of the irony in that statement).


There's already enough polarisation in public debate, we shouldn't be adding fuel to the fire.

JoeLeg Wrote:

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> Not sure I agree. When politicians give even the

> impression that they're openly tracking the

> academic behaviour of people who disagree with

> them, it sets off alarm bells.

>

> I do agree that there are educational

> establishments which have blotted their copybook

> where the dissenting view is concerned, but

> politicians must hold to a higher standard (ha!

> I'm aware of the irony in that statement).

>

> There's already enough polarisation in public

> debate, we shouldn't be adding fuel to the fire.



He knew nobody would reply.


This was just done to intimidate - which with all the "treason" talk on twitter could make some uncomfortable (I now block anybody of either side talking of treason and trials (example below) - so stupid).


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/866422/Brexit-news-Julia-Hartley-Brewer-Philip-Hammond-UK-EU-deal

What with the talk of treason and 'enemies of the people', it is totally unacceptable for a Conservative Minister to write such a letter. It is all creating a climate of fear and suspicion. When Brexit goes wrong, there will be recriminations for sure - and ironically, I suspect they'll be coming mainly from those who were pro Leave.

EDOldie Wrote:

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>

> Ok dc it's a fair cop but society's to blame. It's

> just a fit of pique (on my part) at the complete

> unfairness of the current voting system. And, this

> is the Brexit related part, if we had had a

> representative voting system we probably wouldn't

> have had the referendum. We may still have done I

> accept but I think it is a great deal less

> likely.


Fair enough! To most (if not all) of it...

The Commons Brexit Committee grillings are often far more informative and revealing than the staged pantomime of PMQs.David Davis being quizzed on Brexit this morning...


Labour?s Seema Malhotra goes next.


Q: So you want a transition agreement agreed by the end of 2018 quarter one?


Yes.


Q: And when will the withdrawal agreement be agreed?


Davis says he has not said. The Northern Ireland aspects require agreement on the future relationship too.


Q: So, is it October next year?


Davis says the agremeent, if not the signing, will the coterminous with the agreement on the forward relationship.


That is why the European council called for ?sufficient progress?, not conclusion of phase one.


Q: So it could go to March 2019?


Davis said it could be.


Q: So the vote of parliament on the deal could be after March 2019.


Yes, says Davis, that could happen.



So much for taking back control of the sovereignty of Parliament...

red devil Wrote:

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> The Commons Brexit Committee grillings are often

> far more informative and revealing than the staged

> pantomime of PMQs.David Davis being quizzed on

> Brexit this morning...


The whole unwatchable spectacle has gone straight to VoD at: http://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/a96133e5-b6bd-4455-8e2e-5f2d4c6b1f5c

Davis is such an idiot - France don't really care that much - they're happy to give us the cold shoulder or a gallic shrug. We have to be pro-active not just blame France. I also suspect still does not understand IT systems and the process of implementing them - how far are we down the road of this new customs system so far ?


"Mr Davis also hinted that France ? not Britain ? would be to blame if there was no agreement and new customs arrangements were not in place.


Insisting the UK?s new customs systems would be ready for March 2019 regardless, he suggested the French were ?not investing enough ? which could cause ?backlogs in the UK?."



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-mp-vote-uk-leave-eu-david-davis-deal-talks-european-union-trade-1050-a8018761.html

EU has always said that all the deal(s) need to be concluded about 6 months BEFORE Brexit so that the EU-27 parliaments can individually approve the deals. Whilst 27 EU parliaments are approving the deal then logically UK Parliament (and the Scottish Parliament and NI/Welsh Assemblies) should also approve you'd think.


But no, Davis now says negotiations will go on until March 2019 and will be no time for parliamentary approval before we leave. It's going to be exciting he says. I don't want exciting.

Parliament will have something to say about deliberately leaving an approval vote beyond the exit date. I really do think this will bring the government down some time next year. The committee stages of the repeal bill are about to begin. That one alone has 300 tabled ammendments. Government has ceased to exist. Parliament has become a processing centre for Brexit.

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