Brexit View

[Jenny1]

Don't think he's got the attention span.

[diable rouge]

robbin Wrote:

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> I thought the nature of Twitter was people writing

> narcissistic and/or self-serving (and generally

> meaningless) drivel in the mistaken, but certain

> belief that anyone else gives a t*ss!

Well, I suppose if you look at Twitter accounts of that ilk, it's understandable why you would have such a jaundiced view...

[robbin]

I don't - but I read newspapers (remember them?) and nonsense that has appeared from all sorts of quarters on Twitter is often reported.

[rendelharris]

Although much of Twitter's pretty vacuous, more thoughtful users do employ it for the propagation of interesting and informative texts, either by linking elsewhere or providing text in the form of an accompanying picture, for example a screenshot of a Word document.

[diable rouge]

robbin Wrote:

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> I don't - but I read newspapers (remember them?)

> and nonsense that has appeared from all sorts of

> quarters on Twitter is often reported.

Well, that certainly explains your jaundiced view. You do realise that what you wrote could equally apply to the EDF in some people's eyes? Just saying...

[robbin]

Indeed. It could certainly apply to this particular thread! It has to be by far the most self-serving one on here.

[JoeLeg]

To be fair most *online* ?debate? about Brexit is pretty self-serving. It tends to exist in one echo chamber or another, consisting mostly of people reinforcing each other?s views about whatever stance they hold and arguing vociferously with interlopers who go against their flow.

We?re just of guilty of that here, and I include myself in that.

[Jenny1]

robbin Wrote:

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> Indeed. It could certainly apply to this

> particular thread! It has to be by far the most

> self-serving one on here.

So what exactly do you find 'self-serving' about it?

[Jenny1]

robbin Wrote:

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> I read newspapers (remember them?)

Good idea. Me too.

[Jenny1]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> Although much of Twitter's pretty vacuous, more

> thoughtful users do employ it for the propagation

> of interesting and informative texts, either by

> linking elsewhere or providing text in the form of

> an accompanying picture, for example a screenshot

> of a Word document.

Yes. I don't post on twitter but I'm really pleased to have found it as a source of info. from technocrats.

[robbin]

Jenny1 Wrote:

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> robbin Wrote:

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> -----

> > Indeed. It could certainly apply to this

> > particular thread! It has to be by far the most

> > self-serving one on here.

>

> So what exactly do you find 'self-serving' about

> it?

Pretty much the whole content (which is generally only a few posters). I think JoeLeg summed it up perfectly when he said: "To be fair most *online* ?debate? about Brexit is pretty self-serving. It tends to exist in one echo chamber or another, consisting mostly of people reinforcing each other?s views about whatever stance they hold and arguing vociferously with interlopers who go against their flow.

We?re just of guilty of that here, and I include myself in that."

[Jenny1]

Ah. Sorry Robbin. I'd misunderstood you. I thought you were talking about the Twitter 'thread' written by David Allen Green, not this overall discussion thread.

But as to the comments you and Joe Leg make. I think there's a difference between 'self-serving' - designed to increase the self esteem of the writer - and 'blinkered' - failing to take other points of view into account. And there seems to be me be a difference between people who operate very much from the 'heart' or from the 'head'. So sometimes you get emotion and belief packaged as factual argument. That's just annoying.

[Earl Aelfheah]

The Vote Leave end game: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/18/rightwing-thinktanks-unveil-radical-plan-for-us-uk-brexit-trade-deal-nhs

[diable rouge]

Humans are tribal by nature, we self-identify from an early age, the so-called 'echo chamber' is just another manifestation of that...

[teddyboy23]

Hard brexit

[diable rouge]

Are you feeling ok ted, there's no corny punchline?...

[JoeLeg]

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[teddyboy23]

Dr here it is mayor medical company's stockpiling V.agra

[Alan Medic]

PM still talking bollocks...

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2018/09/20/theresa-may-still-talking-utter-bollocks-eu-leaders-reveal/

[JohnL]

Faisal Islam's summary of the Salzburg summit

PM: it?s my Chequers Deal or No Deal

Tusk: EU27 agree Chequers ?will not work?

Dutch PM: Netherlands is more prepared than UK for No Deal

French PRes: UK politicos who sold Brexit are ?liars?

[edcam]

A very fair summary!

JohnL Wrote:

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> Faisal Islam's summary of the Salzburg summit

>

> PM: it?s my Chequers Deal or No Deal

> Tusk: EU27 agree Chequers ?will not work?

> Dutch PM: Netherlands is more prepared than UK for

> No Deal

> French PRes: UK politicos who sold Brexit are

> ?liars?

[robbin]

Ha ha! All bog standard negotiation posturing. Nobody who knows about negotiating would be surprised by any of what has been emanating from the EU for the last 12 months in terms of posturing. It's only the UK that seems intent on signalling what we consider to be weaknesses in our negotiating position. Anyone who places much weight on posturing from the other side during a negotiation is displaying considerable naivety.

As if the Dutch PM knows what preparations have/are taking place in the UK. Moreover, he of all people knows that the Netherlands has failed to prepare for a no deal scenario in extremely important respects and must now be worried. The letter leaked yesterday from within the EU (about how the Netherlands and other countries cannot be ready and will suffer serious consequences) made that very clear indeed in respect of aviation!

[JohnL]

:)

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[robbin]

Ha ha - great pic. At least she's not dancing!

[JohnL]

robbin Wrote:

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> Ha ha! All bog standard negotiation posturing.

> Nobody who knows about negotiating would be

> surprised by any of what has been emanating from

> the EU for the last 12 months in terms of

> posturing. It's only the UK that seems intent on

> signalling what we consider to be weaknesses in

> our negotiating position. Anyone who places much

> weight on posturing from the other side during a

> negotiation is displaying considerable naivety.

>

> As if the Dutch PM knows what preparations

> have/are taking place in the UK. Moreover, he of

> all people knows that the Netherlands has failed

> to prepare for a no deal scenario in extremely

> important respects and must now be worried. The

> letter leaked yesterday from within the EU (about

> how the Netherlands and other countries cannot be

> ready and will suffer serious consequences) made

> that very clear indeed in respect of aviation!

I agree it's negotiation - but they just seem so much better at it than us - this tweet from Peston actually makes you feel sorry for her - the girl being excluded from the in crowd at school. You get the feeling it was all planned.