Brexit View

[robbin]

No. Frankly if anybody were to be as neurotic as that, they should see a doctor and get some medication for their condition.

[JohnL]

There's a really lonely microphone sitting outside No10 waiting for Theresa May.

But looks like she's not coming.

edit: now she is coming - typical theresa may organisation. If she resigned she'd screw up her resignation speech.

[rendelharris]

robbin Wrote:

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> No. Frankly if anybody were to be as neurotic as

> that, they should see a doctor and get some

> medication for their condition.

But get it quick as the stockpiles the government (the government, robbin, not scaremongering lefty Remoaners!) have told the pharmaceutical companies to create won't last forever...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/no-deal-brexit-medicine-stockpile-health-secretary-matt-hancock-nhs-prescriptions-a8504806.html

[diable rouge]

Happy bedtime reading everyone... https://ec.europa.eu/commission/files/draft-agreement-withdrawal-united-kingdom-great-britain-and-northern-ireland-european-union-and-european-atomic-energy-community-agreed-negotiators-level-14-november-2018_en

[Alan Medic]

robbin Wrote:

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> No. Frankly if anybody were to be as neurotic as

> that, they should see a doctor and get some

> medication for their condition.

Good reminder to stock up on medication folks.

[Alan Medic]

I notice in her speech May mentioned the 3rd option for the first time, remain in the EU. A tactic no doubt though still a possibility. I wonder how many additional letters of no confidence in her will be written as a result of this. Even if there was a vote, she could win it as what other options are there?

[Alan Medic]

If the WA is voted down in the HOC, what's next? Anyone?

[nxjen]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> I notice in her speech May mentioned the 3rd

> option for the first time, remain in the EU. A

> tactic no doubt though still a possibility. I

> wonder how many additional letters of no

> confidence in her will be written as a result of

> this. Even if there was a vote, she could win it

> as what other options are there?

I've been thinking for a little while that May's tactics have been to make such a hash of negotiations that it will never get through Parliament and so the UK will remain in UK. She was a Remainer after all. But I'm probably just being fanciful.

[JoeLeg]

Well there goes Raab.

To lose one Brexit Secretary may be regarded as misfortune, to lose two looks like carelessness...

I somehow doubt this will be the last resignation over this. McVey at least, surely?

[cella]

And he negotiated the deal towards the end! Barmy. Any that don't resign are gagged from now on and what happens now to any fierce Brexiteers that don't resign after Raab? Shameless lot.

[cella]

Now Vara too. Hopefully MvVey next.

[KidKruger]

"I notice in her speech May mentioned the 3rd option for the first time, remain in the EU..."

yeah, I noticed that too - it stood out because it's new !

Ray of HOPE.

[JohnL]

JoeLeg Wrote:

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> Well there goes Raab.

>

> To lose one Brexit Secretary may be regarded as

> misfortune, to lose two looks like

> carelessness...

>

>

> I somehow doubt this will be the last resignation

> over this. McVey at least, surely?

But Brexit Secretary's job is to get the coffee and biscuits.

[diable rouge]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> I wonder how many additional letters of no

> confidence in her will be written as a result of

> this. Even if there was a vote, she could win it

> as what other options are there?

Thatcher won a vote of confidence but still resigned as she didn't carry an overwhelming majority...

[JohnL]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> "I notice in her speech May mentioned the 3rd

> option for the first time, remain in the EU..."

>

> yeah, I noticed that too - it stood out because

> it's new !

> Ray of HOPE.

She (No10) attempted to clarify that but just confused more (something about Labour)

Anyway I see a huge catfight coming (and not only Larry).

[JohnL]

McVey Gone

[diable rouge]

nxjen Wrote:

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> I've been thinking for a little while that May's

> tactics have been to make such a hash of

> negotiations that it will never get through

> Parliament and so the UK will remain in UK. She

> was a Remainer after all. But I'm probably just

> being fanciful.

May was never a staunch Remainer in the first place. No doubt there will be a blame game by Brexiters, but not one of them has ever wanted to own Brexit, hence why May was elected as leader. She was their patsy, it was common knowledge that if Brexit went ahead she'd then be kicked out. Looking likely that she may not even get that far...

[poch]

2nd referendum odds now 13/8 on!

ps good day to SEND YOUR MP AN EMAIL if you haven't already. Helen Hayes is backing another vote, but it might be helpful to let Harriet Harman know your views.

'If any agreement is voted down by Parliament, my preference is for there to be a general election - to try to get a Government that can negotiate the best agreement for our country. However, if a general election is not possible, all other options for breaking the impasse must be kept open including a public vote.'

[diable rouge]

poch Wrote:

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> 2nd referendum odds now 13/8 on!

>

> ps good day to SEND YOUR MP AN EMAIL if you

> haven't already. Helen Hayes is backing another

> vote, but it might be helpful to let Harriet

> Harman know your views.

>

> 'If any agreement is voted down by Parliament, my

> preference is for there to be a general election -

> to try to get a Government that can negotiate the

> best agreement for our country. However, if a

> general election is not possible, all other

> options for breaking the impasse must be kept open

> including a public vote.'

Is this a quote from Harman?...

[JohnL]

Are the EU going to do any further negotiating without some kind of extraordinary mandate (like a peoples vote).

[diable rouge]

JohnL Wrote:

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> McVey Gone

I heard on the radio this morning that if there are to be any resignations of an orchestrated nature, they tend to be on the hour, and right on cue McVey resigns an hour after Raab. Tick tock...

[poch]

Yep, DR....should have clarified...

[diable rouge]

Thanks poch, from a personal point of view there's no point in another GE if Labour are still going down the Brexit route like they did at the last GE. Any form of Brexit will damage the economy and impact the poorest the most. So if anyone of a similar mind is writing to HH, please make a point of that, adding that a People's Vote is the only way out of this mess...

[poch]

Thanks DB. For those in her constituency, TODAY is the day to email. It can take as little as 1 minute if you're busy and want to keep it brief.

[email protected]

Great that Helen Hayes has come out for a 2nd Referendum.

The idea that another vote is anti-democratic when TM's deal bears NO resemblance to what was sold to us 2.5 years ago is getting harder and harder to swallow. A whole-scale failure to live up to all those Brexit promises IS anti-democratic.

[JohnL]

11:00 and all's well - Michael Gove hasn't marched in with his letter.