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[diable rouge]

robbin Wrote:

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> Does anyone know today's combined Jezza/Labout party

> position (or is there no combined single position)?

From The Times...

[JohnL]

We now seem at the phase where everyone is telling everyone else to "calm down"

[diable rouge]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> One under-reported event from last

> week is that the Gov lost an appeal against a case

> for the CJEU to rule whether the UK can

> unilaterally withdraw the A50 notice, thereby not

> needing the approval of all the EU27, as it

> currently stands. You'd think that would be a nice

> insurance to have should things get really sticky,

> but this Gov is trying to appeal again, this time

> to the Supreme Court, using 5 QC's, more than they

> used in the Gina Miller case. If it fails the case

> will be heard before the CJEU at the end of this

> month.

Govt appeal again rejected.

Up yours Maybot...https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1064811821809483776

[robbin]

It was an application to the SC for permission to appeal and permission was refused, seemingly on technical jurisdictional grounds (i.e on the permissible scope of appeals to the SC). The ECJ hearing is next Tuesday, I think.

[diable rouge]

Some people have too much time on their hands...

 

[rendelharris]

Someone's really gone the extra mile on Peckham High Street.

[JohnL]

May challenges and Corbyn agrees to live TV debate

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-live-latest-update-theresa-may-deal-vote-parliament-commons-jeremy-corbyn-debate-a8651661.html

Shes also wandering around the houses of parliament giving away things if anybody votes for her (if any MPs are present)

[JohnL]

Has anybody got any spare liquefied chlorine, sodium silicofluoride, aluminium sulphate, fluorosilicic acid and calcium hydroxide.

If so Gove wants a word.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/nodeal-brexit-could-lead-to-clean-drinking-water-shortage-a3999491.html

[malumbu]

Flip me, our future depends on a head to head between TM and JC - can this get any more depressing?

[diable rouge]

Interesting that May's laid down the challenge to Corbyn. At the election she was the one running scared from leaders' debates. And why have such a public debate, the public aren't voting on her deal, MPs are.

I think she would win a debate with Corbyn simply because he hasn't got a proposal for a Brexit deal to speak of that isn't more cakeism. But even if he had, why should there be a debate on it, Parliament is voting on May's deal, not May's versus Corbyn's. Instead she should be debating with someone proposing No Deal, as that currently is the only legal alternative to May's deal. For anything else to happen, e.g an alternative deal or People's Vote, Article 50 needs to be extended with the EU's permission to allow for the time needed to carry out such an alternative strategy...

[JohnL]

Deja Vue

But now the SNP, the Lib Dems, the Green Party and Plaid Cymru say they should also be invited to discuss the withdrawal agreement.

[diable rouge]

I've found the obvious candidate to debate for No Deal, Corbybabes bro...:)

[diable rouge]

He's not giving up...:)

[JohnL]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> I've found the obvious candidate to debate for No

> Deal, Corbybabes bro...:)

>

> 440802816

Corbyn's brother is coming to take my flag :) - I'm buying another if he does come to Peckham to take it and it'll be twice as big.

[diable rouge]

It's the way he refers to the EU as a 4th Reich and then proceeds on full-authoritarian let's round 'em all up mode. Lack of self-awareness must run in the family...

[DovertheRoad]

Question ..is the current deal on the table a soft or hard Brexit? Or a "fudge deal" ?

[JohnL]

Day 1 of Theresa Mays mission impossible.

@peston

This is becoming cruel. Every part of the commons dumping manure on @theresa_may for allegedly driving wedge between NI and GB, for locking UK into customs union, for NOT locking UK into customs union, for being a "blind brexit", for being too transparently a surrender to EU etc.

[diable rouge]

DovertheRoad Wrote:

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> Question ..is the current deal on the table a soft

> or hard Brexit? Or a "fudge deal" ?

Hard, as it takes us out of the Single Market. It's also harder than the so called Chequers deal as that promised frictionless trade which May's deal doesn't. There's lots of fudge too.

The 'Plan B' Norway option which is being talked about as an alternative should May's deal collapse, would keep us in the SM and is considered soft. IMO the Norway option best reflects the closeness of the referendum and I'm sure a lot of Remainers would've accepted that, but May egged on by the Brextremists got greedy...

[JohnL]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> Hard, as it takes us out of the Single Market.

> It's also harder than the so called Chequers deal

> as that promised frictionless trade which May's

> deal doesn't. There's lots of fudge too.

> The 'Plan B' Norway option which is being talked

> about as an alternative should May's deal

> collapse, would keep us in the SM and is

> considered soft. IMO the Norway option best

> reflects the closeness of the referendum and I'm

> sure a lot of Remainers would've accepted that,

> but May egged on by the Brextremists got greedy...

Did read today on Nick boles twitter that the EFTA/EEA option could mean Norway blocking us from joining in a temporary capacity and therefore we'd need to sign up permanently.

https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1066979794737348608

[diable rouge]

Yep, he originally called in 'Norway for now' which didn't go down well...

[diable rouge]

And here's the view from the nation's living rooms...

BBC, you gonna have to build an even taller tower :)

[zerkalo]

As an EU citizen who has been living and contributing in the UK for years, I feel very offended by the PMs 'queue jumping' comments. Having to apply to stay in our homes is bad enough, but language like this only adds insult to injury. Her apology is frankly too little too late.

[JohnL]

According to Joanna Cherry QC MP (@joannacherry) the UK government at the European Court (#cjeu) has refused to put forward reasons why Article 50 cannot be revoked - leaving the question of whether it can be revoked unilaterally or unanimously (EU27). Of course the court can still decide it can't be revoked - but no arguments put forward.

[stepdown]

Extra c needed for @joannaccherry, another thread on the hearing here:

[diable rouge]

zerkalo Wrote:

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> As an EU citizen who has been living and

> contributing in the UK for years, I feel very

> offended by the PMs 'queue jumping' comments.

> Having to apply to stay in our homes is bad

> enough, but language like this only adds insult to

> injury. Her apology is frankly too little too

> late.

She didn't actually apologise, merely stated that she shouldn't have used that term. Not only did she insult EU citizens who legitimately exercised their right to live and work in the UK, but also the million+ UK citizens doing likewise in the EU. She trumpets ending Freedom of Movement as some kind of victory, yet by doing that she will take away the right of UK citizens to freely travel, work, study and live/retire in the EU. EU citizens will still be able to freely travel to 26 other countries, whereas for UK citizens it will be zilch. Some victory.

Whenever I feel a modicum of sympathy for her current predicament I quickly remind myself that when it comes to immigration, May has always had a nasty streak. She was the architect of the 'hostile environment' at the Home Office, which led to the 'Go Home' advertising vans and appalling treatment of the Windrush generation. She's used Brexit to further her anti-immigration MO, a deal ending free movement with Brexit-lite attached as an addendum.

And now she wants to reconcile with remainers, the same remainers she put down as 'citizens of nowhere'. Get. To. Fook..