Brexit View

[JohnL]

JoeLeg Wrote:

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> If you haven?t seen the footage it does sound

> pretty fanciful - the idea that someone voted

> Leave to help the NHS and lost his marriage

> because of the result. Exactly the kind of sob

> story that makes the pro-EU position look

> callous.

>

> The bit I find hard to believe is that someone

> like a consuslrant genuinely thought the NHS would

> see more money and wouldn?t be sold down the river

> to American private healthcare.

I hadn't seen it - now I have and I still find it difficult.

Never mind why Campbell and Mogg were in a cafe together in the first place (but if it was a news interview that explains that)

[diable rouge]

Top bantz from the ECJ... :)

The judgment in the Article 50 case will be issued at 9am Luxembourg time on 10 December 2018.

[Alan Medic]

The Swiss option made me smirk.

[JohnL]

We have a new first minster in Wales (a Corbynista) ... is it a sign

"Mark Drakeford is expected to be confirmed as First Minister on Wednesday next week after Mr Jones tenders his resignation to the Queen next Tuesday."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-46471728

[malumbu]

Wow look at this

this must change everything.

For those who like some original thought. The great iron curtain collapsed in months as did the Soviet Union a couple of years later. They didn't take long to sort out new treaties, trade deals etc and look where that left us in terms of world peace and a move away from right wing nationalism (think Slovakia, Belorus, the former East Germany) and wealth distribution. Although if we want strong and stable (and economically successful) think China. Happy to hear some counter arguments, although I am sure that there is relevant article on Twitter.

[JoeLeg]

Really not sure what your point is with that post?

[malumbu]

Oh relating to the problems in delivering a rushed deal could be compared big alliances/federations breaking up quickly in 89 - 91 with mixed results. The China stuff was just a pop at TM for all the strong and stable stuff. There has been a risk in right wing nationalism in many of the former Soviet States/Iron Curtain and it feels that we are risking going the same way here. Also worried that a populist and confrontational agenda in France is having results. Although I would argue that a left wing anarcho bit of direct action (poll tax riots) was of course justifiable. Might be all total bollox and happy to be shot down, either in a five minute debate or the whole half hour.

Not sure if there are parallels with the arab spring and other interventions with no end game.

[JohnL]

Tommy Robinson-Yaxley-Lennon in London tomorrow with the leave protesters. Sadly I'd be surprised if there wasn't some kind of trouble.

[JohnL]

Brexit vote delayed

How do I add chicken sounds to this thread ?

[diable rouge]

There will be three Government oral statements in the @HouseofCommons today:

1 - Theresa May: Exiting the EU

2 - Andrea Leadsom: Business Statement

3 - Stephen Barclay: EU Exit - Article 50

No. 3 could be the biggie, despite the ECJ today ruling that A50 can be unilaterally revoked, Gov more likely to ask to extend A50 to avoid crashing out with no deal. If it's for that, then based on past statements, EU unlikely to allow extension unless there is a very good reason, i.e. a GE or another referendum, not for more negotiating time...

[keano77]

If they extend A50 doesn?t that mean it can?t be revoked unilaterally?

[diable rouge]

Not according to legal whiz DAG...

By confirming that (1) unilateral revocation continues with any extension, (2) right ends when WA concluded, and (3) if revoked UK membership of EU continues as before...

....this could not be a more helpful judgment for Remainers.

[robbin]

keano77 Wrote:

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> If they extend A50 doesn?t that mean it can?t be

> revoked unilaterally?

If part of the agreement to extend A50 provides that it cannot in future be unilaterally revoked, then yes. Otherwise it can be revoked unilaterally.

[robbin]

Good to see the Omni-shambles which is the PM, has chosen to try to save her own neck in favour of getting a clear message from Parliament. Had she been battered in the vote (which was inevitable) then she (or the next PM) could have taken the result to the EU to show that no matter what she thinks about her insane 'compromise' deal, it will never get past Parliament. Instead, having brazenly ignored the obvious for several days, she has decided to pull the vote to save herself. Par for the course though, I suppose.

[JoeLeg]

There?s just not enough popcorn for all this.

[Angelina]

I think if this was a movie, rotten tomatoes would say it was a such a childish plotline, it would be given a RT rating of 0/10 (bad). Ian Fleming had good plots - this is just a shambles.

[JohnL]

Theresa May may need a vote to enable her to delay the vote (depending on Bercow's mood :)).

She'll probably lose the vote.

[robbin]

They can always just talk it out, anyway.

[pebs]

meanwhile country carry's on going to the dogs. just great!

[robbin]

I know - it's going to the dogs - it used to be that the general population could spell and use proper grammar!

[Jenny1]

pebs Wrote:

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> meanwhile country carry's on going to the dogs.

> just great!

Agreed peas. I'm afraid we're seeing what we've been seeing all along. This process is about those in power in making sure they hang on to their authority as long as possible. They don't care about anything else.

[JohnL]

All those involved don't have long careers ahead of them I guess.

Someone Tasered outside parliament just now apparently.

[robbin]

Was it Theresa?

[robbin]

Was she trying to effect her 'plan B' of sneaking into an empty Parliament (with her Chief Whip) and holding a quick vote on her Brexit deal while nobody was looking?

Calling off the vote planned for tonight was merely a ruse to empty out the main chamber.

[JohnL]

robbin Wrote:

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> Was it Theresa?

No but unbelievably she's got locked inside her car with Merkel looking on - maybe the car has had enough.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/watch-theresa-may-gets-locked-inside-her-car/

edit: not as good as I'd hoped (wanted to see her banging the window :( )