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[Jenny1]

Jenny1 Wrote:

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> ... my main source of information on

> the effects of all of this on business...

...aside from the CBI stats of course...

[JohnL]

I can't see how the uncertainty could benefit anybody at the moment. Even No Deal certainty would be better than not having any idea what's going to happen I'd think (for businesses that is)

Theresa May is making a right pigs ear of this anyway - whatever side you're on - we don't even know if tomorrows vote will even take place and still hearing different things from the EU and UK.

Sending the Attorney General (who's called Cox) over to make comments about his 'codpiece" definitely made an impression, 'EU sources branded Mr Cox's demands "insane"' LOL :)

[Seabag]

She?s trying to find a ?device? to delay the vote, which if you google ?device? you get

device

?A plan, method, or trick with a particular aim?

Sounds about right, what a sh*tshower

[JohnL]

She may or may not travel to Strasburg tonight.

Alternatively 'going to Strasburg' may actually be a euphemism.

[diable rouge]

The EU moves in mysterious ways...:)

[DulwichFox]

Leaving the EU is a bit like those Free Trials that people sign up to

like Book Clubs, Wine Clubs you know.. No membership required , No obligations ,

Until you try to leave.. ???

Some 40 odd years ago we signed up to a No Obligations scheme that we are now having trouble leaving.

Foxy

[JohnL]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> The EU moves in mysterious ways...:)

> https://twitter.com/wabbey/status/1105131045916237

> 824

As this is a Commonwealth Service - is she saying if UK suffer then India, Australia, NZ, Canada et al should suffer with us.

Edit: Actually she probably means the UK when I think about it (remainers and leavers) - but this is a Commonwealth service - so she's being downright rude in that case.

[JohnL]

Meanwhile back in the commons the Under secretary responded to Corbyns question and ...

"Labour?s Kevin Brennan says it is customary on this occasion to says people have the monkey, not the organ-grinder. But on this occasion MPs have not even got the monkey, he says. And they have not even got the codpiece, he says."

[JoeLeg]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Leaving the EU is a bit like those Free Trials

> that people sign up to

> like Book Clubs, Wine Clubs you know.. No

> membership required , No obligations ,

>

> Until you try to leave.. ???

>

> Some 40 odd years ago we signed up to a No

> Obligations scheme that we are now having trouble

> leaving.

>

> Foxy

Leaving is no trouble. Do nothing between now and the 29th and exit on WTO, No-Deal. Simples.

Although quite a few people seem to think that?s not a great idea...

The EU isn?t actually obliged to make this easy for us, and anyone - anyone - who thought they would is an idiot. Of course they?re going to be difficult about it. Those who wanted Leave should?ve been a lot more honest with themselves about it.

The only people who think this is all the EU?s fault are the extreme hardcore Brexiters, who seem to believe that somehow we were ?owed? something. No one is owed anything in politics. Pretty much everyone else - on both sides - agreed this has been a massive screw up by the U.K. from the start.

[diable rouge]

It's only difficult leaving the EU with a deal if you barricade your negotiating position with red lines that are at odds with the EU's 4 freedoms...

[robbin]

Jenny1 Wrote:

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> I have to admit Robster (as we're getting

> informal) that my main source of information on

> the effects of all of this on business comes from

> friends who manage a high spec, but reasonably

> small engineering company in the West Midlands.

> They, of course, have been trading internationally

> for decades and have found EU membership of great

> benefit. Which sectors are your friends who say

> Brexit has been beneficial working in?

I've PM'd you.

[robbin]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> It's only difficult leaving the EU with a deal if

> you barricade your negotiating position with red

> lines that are at odds with the EU's 4 freedoms...

Quite. As well as giving away for nothing any negotiating advantage or pressure that you may have had.

[JohnL]

Well She's gone to Strasburg.

Would be quite happy if she got stuck there in the airport for a long time (like the guy in the film)

[robbin]

She will probably get lost, or locked in her car again.

[robbin]

If it was down to TM and her incompetence, she would manage to get indefinitely locked in to all sorts of stuff. Muppet.

[Jenny1]

robbin Wrote:

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> Jenny1 Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > I have to admit Robster (as we're getting

> > informal) that my main source of information on

> > the effects of all of this on business comes

> from

> > friends who manage a high spec, but reasonably

> > small engineering company in the West Midlands.

> > They, of course, have been trading

> internationally

> > for decades and have found EU membership of

> great

> > benefit. Which sectors are your friends who say

> > Brexit has been beneficial working in?

>

> I've PM'd you.

I'm afraid I don't communicate via PM on the forum on 'hot topics', Robbin, for reasons which I'm sure you'll understand, so will delete your message unread.

[robbin]

As you wish, Jenny - although were you to read my PM you would see that all I have said is that I'm happy to answer your question about my friends' businesses and give details by a PM (and offering to do so) but would rather not post something on the open forum, as I wish to remain known as Robbin. Were I to post details, I would no longer have that privilege, as it would be obvious to some readers who I am.

Accordingly, you don't really need to delete the message unread as it contains nothing which is either contentious or 'hot', but then again I have just repeated my PM on the open forum so that's no longer an issue!

[diable rouge]

robbin Wrote:

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> ...as it would be obvious to

> some readers who I am.

Really? I've nothing against someone wanting to keep their anonymity, but can't see how naming a business would reveal who you are in 'the real world'...

[Loutwo]

It now seems that the future of the United Kingdom, Ireland, and the rest of the EU (not to mention the world economy) is dependent on what Nigel Dodds MP concludes from tonight?s negotiations. He?s so influential, even Tory Brexiteers await his conclusion. What an absolute farce and afront to democracy this whole process has become.

Louisa.

[JoeLeg]

Loutwo Wrote:

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> It now seems that the future of the United

> Kingdom, Ireland, and the rest of the EU (not to

> mention the world economy) is dependent on what

> Nigel Dodds MP concludes from tonight?s

> negotiations. He?s so influential, even Tory

> Brexiteers await his conclusion. What an absolute

> farce and afront to democracy this whole process

> has become.

>

> Louisa.

I?d say that?s a pretty fair assessment, although May?s ?majority? is so illusory that even if the DUP were to support her it only takes a few others to defeat her. The DUP are a bunch of religiously-infected zealots who embrace homophobia and a theologically-stained political creed who were also supporters of Unionist terrorism during the Troublea, which they seem to pretend they didn?t do, and now they?re getting billions of pounds of our money. They make me sick.

[Alan Medic]

The ironic thing about the DUP's influence which means there can be no 'border' in the Irish Sea, is that by all accounts the majority in NI have no issue with that as it removes the problem of the potential land border on the island and is likely to benefit its economy by it having 'special status'.

[keano77]

Vernon Bogdanor mentioned that point Alan, it would be a great deal for NI. So good in fact that it would upset many of the EU 27 because of the unfair trading advantage of NI?s ?special status?.

[JohnL]

Okay - Companies that look forward to Brexit and think they can expand - Sky News came up with one in Derby this morning (almost like they're reading the EDF)

Norton Motorbikes.

[JohnL]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Vernon Bogdanor mentioned that point Alan, it

> would be a great deal for NI. So good in fact that

> it would upset many of the EU 27 because of the

> unfair trading advantage of NI?s ?special status?.

All citizens of the Island of Ireland and those eligible for an Irish Passport also get to keep freedom of movement (but as has been pointed out to me many eligible have partners etc. who won't have that right,

[JohnL]

So Codpiece has said two things recently

"Reduces the risk of being in the backstop indefinitely" - that's not going to be enough IMHO.

"Bollocks" to Jon Snow :)