Brexit View

[JohnL]

It's getting silly now - is he trying to look stupid for some reason

Redacted handwritten memo about proroguing parliament contains the words "girly swot Cameron"

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-branded-david-cameron-girly-swot-leaked-document-reveals-11803807

[Sephiroth]

Away from the childish behaviour of the government, some grown-ups are doing some terrific work trying to make any kind of sense of all of this

Chris Grey in particular has been terrific and here is his latest. I?d be interested in forumites thoughts

https://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2019/09/johnson-bulldozes-britain-deeper-into.html

[Sue]

Interesting article, thanks Sephiroth.

[Sephiroth]

And another good read here

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2019/0907/1074437-backstop-brexit-boris-johnson/

I have no idea where people like Louisa and keano get their info from. But it?s very very wrong

[Alan Medic]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> Away from the childish behaviour of the

> government, some grown-ups are doing some terrific

> work trying to make any kind of sense of all of

> this

> Chris Grey in particular has been terrific and

> here is his latest. I?d be interested in forumites

> thoughts

>

> https://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2019/09/j

> ohnson-bulldozes-britain-deeper-into.html

It sums up the confusion very well, if that's at all possible.

[intexasatthe moment]

Sephiroth -'m not sure that my thoughts are sufficiently well informed to comment but ....

in this extract I'm puzzled by the comment about a referendum campaign ,I thought Labour were against another referendum

"Consider, for example this one: November election ? hung parliament needing negotiations that lead to a Labour minority government with confidence and supply from LibDems/ SNP ? negotiations begin with EU for a ?Labour Brexit?, interrupted by Christmas ? a new deal agreed ? a referendum campaign held ? the implementation of the result. In that sequence of events we will be well into next summer, presumably"

and I would have welcomed some discussion of the Kinnock ammendment and it's significance .And Teresa May's last Withdrawal Agreement ,which I presume is the only proposed deal currently available .

And what about the border in Ireland ?

I'm sure my comments show how poor my grasp of all this is ,I'm woefully lost .

[keano77]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> And another good read here

>

> https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2019/

> 0907/1074437-backstop-brexit-boris-johnson/

>

> I have no idea where people like Louisa and keano

> get their info from. But it?s very very wrong

Donald, Jean-Claude, Michel and Guy frequently call my encrypted hotline to chew the fat.

The applications of Ursula (von der Leyen) and Charles (Michel) are pending subject to being vetted by my team

[seenbeen]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Jo Johnson

>

> "It's been an honour to represent Orpington for 9

> years & to serve as a minister under three PMs.

> In recent weeks I've been torn between family

> loyalty and national interest. It's an

> unresolvable tension & time for others to take on

> my roles as MP & minister"

>

> Bye Bro

No mention of his constituency then- 57.5% voted Leave....

[MSA]

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[Alan Medic]

seenbeen Wrote:

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> JohnL Wrote:

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> > Jo Johnson

> >

> > "It's been an honour to represent Orpington for

> 9

> > years & to serve as a minister under three PMs.

>

> > In recent weeks I've been torn between family

> > loyalty and national interest. It's an

> > unresolvable tension & time for others to take

> on

> > my roles as MP & minister"

> >

> > Bye Bro

>

> No mention of his constituency then- 57.5% voted

> Leave....

How is that relevant?

[Loutwo]

Amber Rudd - gone.

Louisa.

[Passiflora]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> seenbeen Wrote:

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> > JohnL Wrote:

> >

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> > -----

> > > Jo Johnson

> > >

> > > "It's been an honour to represent Orpington

> for

> > 9

> > > years & to serve as a minister under three

> PMs.

> >

> > > In recent weeks I've been torn between family

> > > loyalty and national interest. It's an

> > > unresolvable tension & time for others to

> take

> > on

> > > my roles as MP & minister"

> > >

> > > Bye Bro

> >

> > No mention of his constituency then- 57.5%

> voted

> > Leave....

>

> How is that relevant?

It is relevant. If his constituency voted to leave the EU three years ago then he has done the right thing. Choosing to do it because his brother is now PM and he (Jo) makes a public announcement defending his family etc. makes it even better that he should go.

[Passiflora]

Loutwo Wrote:

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> Amber Rudd - gone.

>

> Louisa.

Didn't she go a few years ago? Another MP who is trying to thwart Brexit.

[Alan Medic]

Passiflora Wrote:

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> Loutwo Wrote:

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> > Amber Rudd - gone.

> >

> > Louisa.

>

> Didn't she go a few years ago? Another MP who is

> trying to thwart Brexit.

Which version of Brexit is she trying to thwart? There are so many.

[nxjen]

Scary, Farage looking for Tory/Brexit party collaboration.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/08/brexit-party-farage-seeks-election-pact-with-conservatives?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[JohnL]

Passiflora Wrote:

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> It is relevant. If his constituency voted to

> leave the EU three years ago then he has done the

> right thing. Choosing to do it because his

> brother is now PM and he (Jo) makes a public

> announcement defending his family etc. makes it

> even better that he should go.

This is one of the questions used to test peoples knowledge of the political process a few weeks ago. It doesn't matter what your constituency believes an MP is voted to use their own judgement. It's at the core of British Democracy and not just my point of view.

Of course Orpington is now free for Boris to take as his own in any GE as Uxbridge is not a safe seat if you suspect Jo is still doing Boris a favour.

[JohnL]

https://www.politics.co.uk/reference/mps-and-political-artiesp

"This means that, while the views of constituents are frequently considered, the actions of MPs are governed by their determination of the best interests of their constituency, their party and the country as a whole."

[seenbeen]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> seenbeen Wrote:

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> > JohnL Wrote:

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> > -----

> > > Jo Johnson

> > >

> > > "It's been an honour to represent Orpington

> for

> > 9

> > > years & to serve as a minister under three

> PMs.

> >

> > > In recent weeks I've been torn between family

> > > loyalty and national interest. It's an

> > > unresolvable tension & time for others to

> take

> > on

> > > my roles as MP & minister"

> > >

> > > Bye Bro

> >

> > No mention of his constituency then- 57.5%

> voted

> > Leave....

>

> How is that relevant?

it turns out that his wife gave him an ultimatum- Boris or me....https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9889067/johnson-jo-quit-wife-me-or-boris/

[uncleglen]

Great summary of the treachery here

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-7439625/DAVID-STARKEY-says-Parliament-succeeded-thwarting-voters.html

[JohnL]

David Snarkey

[JohnL]

Boris in Dublin insisting he wants a real deal and saying no deal is a failing of statecraft.

Is he changing his tune or just making it up as he goes ?

[JohnL]

"Nigel Farage, the Brexit party leader, claims that Boris Johnson has changed tack and that he is now going ?all out? for Theresa May?s Brexit deal."

Theresa May must be laughing herself silly.

[Loutwo]

Boris needs to be very very careful. These trumpesque throwaway comments at press conferences have consequences. He can?t have his cake and eat it. Just when you think he?s nailed his colours to the mast, he changes his tune again.

Louisa.

[diable rouge]

Cummings detests Farage, his strategy of 'do or die' Brexit by the 31st Oct was also to neuter Farage and the Brexit Party once and for all, make him totally irrelevant politically. That's now failed with the extension Bill, so they have to change tack somehow and get a deal before the 31st in order to nullify Farage. A majority of Tory members when polled over the summer were happy to see the break up of the Union if it meant Brexit, so a Northern Ireland only backstop wouldn't upset them, just the DUP, who at the moment are useless to Johnson as their votes make no difference anymore. So, why not throw the DUP under the Brexit bus while parliament is shut down for 5 weeks and then vote on May's deal with a NI only backstop when they get back on 14th Oct?

Numbers would be tight with some ERG voting with DUP against it, but some Labour also likely to vote for it...

[teddyboy23]

Apparently Boris will refuse to appoint a new European commissioner if forced to extend our membership after 31st October.this would mean the ec is not legally constituted because it must have. 28 commissioners.one from each member state if the EU tries to reduced the number.Boris will have the power of veto to block it.EU activity will be frozen.meaning . a no deal brexit would happen by 31 st October.by default .which could mean he doesn't have to abide by today's ruling. Slag me off if I'm wrong.