Galliano -when sorry is not enough

[silverfox]

okay, he shouldn't have said what he said. And on the mobile phone video I've seen he's bang to rights although clearly tipsy. He's said sorry. Surely this should be end of?

Why destroy the career of a maverick because a private conversation in a Paris cafe has gone global?

I don't for a minute believe he meant what he said. we all say things we don't mean.

The question I'm asking here is - is modern technology making us one-dimensional?

That is, is the baying of the mob on Titter and Facebook overriding tried and tested legal procedures?

Strikes me modern communications are starting to enslave mankind with some naive view that the majority is important.

[Huguenot]

What a thick skin you have silverfox.

I think 'abuse' is probably more accurate than 'said', and regarding content consider this as a jewish couple whose grandparents likely were victims of the holocaust: "I love Hitler" and, "People like you would be dead. Your mothers, your forefathers, would all be f**king gassed."

Having said that, he just looked like a pathetic drunken prat, but he does have history on these views.

From a commercial point of view, being associated with such views may well impact on your choice of designer dress.

From a legal point of view, in France it's illegal. He's a high-profile defendant with indisputable evidence. The authorities are required to prosecute or a face a disintegration of government authority.

Personally I think he's seriously disturbed. Hence 'sorry' isn't enough, but I'm not sure what outcome is appropriate.

[silverfox]

Yes but if you look at the video (link below) he is insulting a person or persons to the left of the person recording the scene. we don't know what led to the tirade and the recording smacks of a set up.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3433777/Fashion-legend-Galliano-arrested.html

[Jeremy]

His career's over. Hopefully we'll never hear from this odious man again.

[mockney piers]

Set up?!?

It smacks of a couple of people, having listened to a drunken, racist tirade, unsure whether it's hilarious or disturbing, recording a snippet for their mates, then selling it on when they find out who he was.

I can't say I actually care, the fashion world is anathema to me, so vaccuous and pointless is it (I actually almost physically puked during the why-fashion-matters speech in that awful devil prada film missus mockers forced me to sit through), but I'm not sure it will ruin his career.

The industry has failed to demonstrate any sense of morality at all (in fact seems to revel in its bulemia inducing, paedophilia encouraging, heroin romanticising ways) ever, so I'm sure he'll be hired by someone soon, probably by Dior.

Maybe he should get someone to film him snorting coke, that usually seems to do the trick.

Oh and he's obviously a massive egomaniacal cunt (who isn't in the fashion world?), but again, who cares. At least Charlie Sheen was funny!

[silverfox]

So the fact that someone just happens to have a mobile phone ready to record the tirade and that he's speaking in English in one of Paris's most desirable areas doesn't strike any of you as suspicious?

[Huguenot]

I just don't get the relevance of your assertion silverfox.

Even if the videomaker had known that Galiano was a racist bigot, he didn't make him one.

Galliano was spouting horrific racist invective that celebrated genocide whilst using it as a verbal weapon to attack, demean and humiliate his neighbour. No-one made him do that.

Do you think it's okay behaviour if there's not a camera around?

[mockney piers]

Nope. Why should it? Not everything is a conspiracy.

I'd say in a desirable area of a rich western capital, 80% of people have a phone capable of doing that. From their voices they sounded like women in their twenties, so lets bump that up to 95% phone ownership, 98% that they are youtube culture proficient.

I'm amazed these days if someone behaves like this and they don't end up splashed across the press.

[????]

If someone who worked for me or with me spoke like that I wouldn't want to work with them and he's the front for a global fashion brand - on so many levels he couldn't carry on however talented and 'sorry' he is.

[silverfox]

There's an air of trial by YouTube about all this which is worrying.

I would prefer to wait and see his side of the story before condemning the man.

[????]

Well if he thinks he's been sacked unfairly he can sue them....don't hold your breathe

[david_carnell]

What could possibly be a relevent excuse?

10 secs before the camera rolls he says, "So I've just been cast as a racist bigot in a film and this is the type of thing I reckon would work....what do you think?"

Pur-lease. Like Mockers, I couldn't give two shits about the industry or the vacuous pillocks who inhabit it, but this guy is a 24 carat dick.

There isn't even a debate to be had here.

[Huguenot]

In general I agree with your sentiment about prejudging a situation silverfox, but the truth is I can't identify a single thing that could mitigate for this kind of outburst.

For the Guardianistas, this from a couple of decades ago:

 

[zeban]

I think he's a disgusting, disgraceful, and shameful man and I say good riddance. There is NO excuse for what he said. Anyone who can make the comments he did, whether drunk or not, does not deserve a high-flying job or the kudos that goes with it.

Men like himself think they're untouchable because they're head of the brand but the truth is designers work with huge teams they're not some kind of lone artist/'maverick'. I'm sure there are loads of designers who are just as good as him and could do just as good a job at Dior and deserve it far more. I applaud Dior taking the action it did.

And he didn't even say sorry he bloody well try to deny it so he's a cowardly liar as well. Then the video came out. You can't set someone up for saying what he did and he spoke in English because he is originally English which is even more shameful.

[Huguenot]

Probably didn't help that his CEO was jewish too...

[Ridgley]

I agree with you on this issue, MP you right in regards to the fashion industry my sister is still in the industry and my parents was in the industry they had to put up with rude self-absorbed designers bubble headed models in there day I don?t think that has changed. There is no sense of morality consumerism is king unfortunately the fashion industry is fickle give it a few months and another fashion house will hire him.

[mockney piers]

On reflection that was a bit harsh.

There's a high profile representative layer, the models the catwalks, those awful magazines, the bullshit, that is pretty loathsome.

Then there's the layer below, the ruthless manufacturers fat cats who own nothing but a brand whilst outsourcing manufacture to sweatshops and indentured labour.

But there are of course literally tens of millions worldwide involved to some degree in the wider fashion industry (what the awful people would no doubt sneeringly describe as 'high street' or even worse 'tailoring'), and of course I have no issue with them.

[Ridgley]

There is a certain snobbery, my parents were tailors there were look down by couture designers and couture designers look down at high street designers which I find quite amusing growing up as I think all these categories have a creative gift.

[silverfox]

David_carnell said:

"There isn't even a debate to be had here ..."

oh but there is

The debate is:

a private drunken argument in a Paris bar is none of your business.

What right do any of us have to serve judgement on private squabbles?

Sticks and stones?

It was a set up!

[zeban]

Are you a closet racist too Silverfox?

[aspidistra]

silverfox, twitter and Facebook have nothing to do with it.

When push comes to shove, many of the frock buyers are ladies who may well be Jewish, in many countries. There is no way that his employer can countenance that sort of behaviour, however drunk he was, without facing a massive walkout of customers. The damage will be severe even with sacking him.

I thought Galliano and his ilk had minders to prevent this sort of thing. Where were they?

[DJKillaQueen]

At the end of the day Galliano has to take repsonsibility for the words that come out of his mouth. The fact that someone was at hand to record it is neither here nor there. I can not understand why anyone would even begin to defend him.

His employer fired him because he's a liability and he has only himself to blame for that.

[silverfox]

His employer was happy to make millions from his creativity. How has Galliano changed overnight? Could his employer have sacked him because he fears he'll lose millions?

Is this really a moral question?

[zeban]

Hmmm you know his CEO is Jewish right???

Just realised you took the video clip from the Sun silverfox, that speaks volumes!

[silverfox]

Didn't The Sun claim exclusivity for this story?

if I'm correct on this doesn't this worry anybody about the possibility of a set up?

yes, I know Dior's boss is Jewish. he has worked with Galliano for years. If this tirade is a revelation to him he's either a poor judge of character or has turned a blind eye for years because the tills kept ringing. you decide.