Grove Tavern Public Meeting

[Ferrs11]

There is a poster up in Dulwich Village saying that there will be a public meeting on Saturday 4th November, 2pm at the pavilion of the Streatham & Marlborough Cricket Club by the junction of Lordship Lane and Dulwich Common (opposite the Grove Tavern) to talk about its future - it is facilitated by the Dulwich Society who are keen to find out what neighbours would like to see on the site - given that neither the Dulwich Estate (the freeholder)nor the Council can agree on what should happen. If you have a view it might be worth attending.

[Mick Mac]

Thanks - Is this on the basis that it has no future as a commercial enterprise ?

[Pugwash]

I think a Premier Inn or Travel Lodge with a small pub or restaurant attached will go down quite well

[Mick Mac]

Pugwash Wrote:

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> I think a Premier Inn or Travel Lodge with a small

> pub or restaurant attached will go down quite well

I suspect there is no interest in the site - hence what do we do.

[mikeb]

If there is no acceptable interest from commercial property, how about using the site to rebuild the Dulwich almshouses, instead of building on Judith Kerr playing field?

[taper]

I'd like to see England's biggest cheese shop on that location.

[Siduhe]

Thanks for this - we live close by and will come along. My understanding (gleaned on here more than anything) is that the Dulwich Estate want to turn it into housing (and have declined approaches from supermarkets and fast food outlets) and the Council want it to go back into commercial use or as an old people's home. Does anyone know if that's the latest state of play? I would love to see it reopen as a pub but - as was pointed out last time I said that - it just doesn't seem to be viable.

[alice]

Social housing is obvious choice why aren?t council jumping.

[Siduhe]

I don't think the Dulwich Estate are planning to turn it into social housing. If they were, I'm sure the council would go for it given they've also suggested it could be converted into a care home.

[nxjen]

There is an item in Dulwich Society?s latest newsletter which gives the current state of play and the announcement that Southwark Council have agreed to fund a charette (no neither had I) - go to the bottom of http://www.dulwichsociety.com/2017-autumn/1551-dulwich-society-news

The Society?s home page also announces that Southwark Council have rejected the DE proposal to build almshouses on land currently occupied by Judith Kerr

[George Orwell]

The inefficiency of democracy, eh ? Benevolent dictators have their advantages at times.

This site has lain empty for years and years. The owners and the council bleat about lack of money and yet they are staring in the face of a huge lost opportunity. Years of no business, no housing, no income, no improvement to the local environment. Probably years of no business, no housing, no income, no improvement to the local environment to follow on too.

It makes me want to weep.

[George Orwell]

Ah, a revision is needed. I just read that apparently the pub lessee is still paying ?100,000 a year in rent - that helps a bit I suppose.

[Mick Mac]

George Orwell Wrote:

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> Ah, a revision is needed. I just read that

> apparently the pub lessee is still paying ?100,000

> a year in rent - that helps a bit I suppose.

To Dulwich Estate? or to someone else? Either way its not particularly helping anyone. Unless you are one of the benefactors of one of the school bursaries?

[Siduhe]

Thanks nxjen, really interesting - surprised that the tenant has carried on paying rent, unless it's just a way to stop a competitor taking on the site. Stonegate's closest other pub is the Bird in Hand in Forest Hill.

[alice]

So what about council tax

[NewWave]

Waitrose???

Only joking-Honest!!!!

[edhistory]

The Grove Tavern sits within a designated Southwark Council APZ (Archaeological Protection Zone).

This will be an added feature of the planning permission process.

[Cora]

Care home sounds like a great idea...

[KidKruger]

Looks like on the Lordship Lane side of the property some folks have moved in, or, at least, have tarpaulined-off a bay for use as sheltered accom.

[Abe_froeman]

Maybe deliveroo should put their dark kitchen in here.

[Robert Poste's Child]

Appalling location for a care home, equally the elderly or otherwise vulnerable people who might be housed in the almshouses - horribly busy junction, noise, accident hotspot, pollution, little in easy walking distance etc.

There has been an inn on that site for over two hundred years apparently. The eponymous Mr Cox who cut Cox's walk to link to Sydenham Wells owned it in the late 1700s. How about a bar/club? Need a dance venue around here.

[edhistory]

The Sydenham Wells is a fake connection.

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An Account of a New Purging Spring Discovered at Dulwich in Surrey, by Mr. John Martyn, F. R. S. Prof. Botan. Cantab

Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society (1683-1775), Vol. 41 (1739 - 1741), pp. 835-838

Published by: The Royal Society

In the Autumn of 1739, Mr. Cox, the Master of a well-known House of good Entertainment, called the Green Man at Dulwich, lying about a Mile beyond the village, was desirous to dig a Well for Service of his House, there being no Spring of good Water near it.

December 11 1740.

[The full three page text of the article is available on-line]

[lavender27]

Ha. How about a "Harvester" public house, miss the Harvester so much. Bring back the Harvester! Bring back The Harvester!

[redjam]

What's needed is a new doctor's surgery.

[Sue]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> Looks like on the Lordship Lane side of the

> property some folks have moved in, or, at least,

> have tarpaulined-off a bay for use as sheltered

> accom.

Yeh, I noticed that the other day.

Please please please don't bring back the Harvester, it was horrible (in my opinion).