fines for dropping cigarettes in Brixton, near the station

[Jules-and-Boo]

My friend got whopped with an ?80 on the spot fine.

Has anyone else heard about this?

[DulwichFox]

Yep.. was watching a program recently (Day time morning TV)

A guy got fined because he dropped a 'Chip' from a bag of chips he was eating. ?80

DulwichFox

[Loz]

I have a little sympathy for the chip-dropper if he didn't notice.

But the ciggie chucker? Good. Maybe they'll think twice next time.

[Robert Poste's Child]

It's not unreasonable and I think it's great if they're trying to improve the way people treat that stretch of road, which is a magnet for antisocial behaviour. It would be great if they could do more about the number of people who blatantly avoid paying to use the tube, though.

[hammerman]

The fines for dropping cigarettes have been around for at least a couple of years now.

[Earl Aelfheah]

?80 is a lot of money and could really hurt some people. Surely giving people a warning and making them dispose of it properly would be more proportionate.

[DulwichFox]

We have become a nation of Fines... Especially if you are a Motorist.

Many of which are like congestion and pollution for which it is 'O Kay as long as you Pay'

If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,

If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.

If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,

If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.

Foxy

[Earl Aelfheah]

For someone struggling to make ends meet, getting an ?80 could really tip them over the edge... just for dropping a chip. It's ridiculous.

[uncleglen]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> We have become a nation of Fines... Especially if

> you are a Motorist.

>

> Many of which are like congestion and pollution

> for which it is 'O Kay as long as you Pay'

>

> If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,

> If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.

> If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,

> If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.

>

> Foxy

Just been reading that the Chinese may not take our plastic waste anymore because it is 'dirty'- ironic since most of it comes from China in the first place

Another benefit of Brexit- 'they' won't be able to fine us every year for breaching 'their' air pollution levels

[Robert Poste's Child]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> For someone struggling to make ends meet, getting

> an ?80 could really tip them over the edge... just

> for dropping a chip. It's ridiculous.

Then the lesson is, don't drop it! There's a choice in there.

[Earl Aelfheah]

No one should drop litter and people doing so should be challenged. But ?80 is not a trivial amount of money for many and seems quite disproportionate.

[triumph]

It's not supposed to be a trivial amount. Quite rightly, it's supposed to be a deterrent. Drop the litter once, get fined, don't drop the litter again. A good use of a financial deterrent.

[Earl Aelfheah]

What about spitting? Swearing?

[Siduhe]

Same principles apply to spitting and other anti-social behaviour:

http://love.lambeth.gov.uk/not-on-our-streets/

[Earl Aelfheah]

So ?50 if you leave sh1t on the street, but ?80 for a cigerette butt?

[DulwichFox]

The problem with cigarette butts is that despite popular belief, they are NOT biodegradable.

The problem is with the filters. They are made of Synthetic Polymer Cellulose Acetate ..

These break down into tiny particles and pollute the water table, get into the oceans and get digested by marine Creatures.

DulwichFox

[bobbsy]

So let's say you drop something and someone tries to give you a fine - why would you give them your details and not just walk off?

[JohnL]

they'll take a photo I bet.

[rendelharris]

bobbsy Wrote:

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> So let's say you drop something and someone tries

> to give you a fine - why would you give them your

> details and not just walk off?

They will call the police - seen it happen in Brixton. Failure to give your details is a criminal offence.

On a sidenote, does dropping a butt down a grating - storm drains etc - constitute littering (I mean legally)?

[JohnL]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> bobbsy Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

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> > So let's say you drop something and someone

> tries

> > to give you a fine - why would you give them

> your

> > details and not just walk off?

>

> They will call the police - seen it happen in

> Brixton. Failure to give your details is a

> criminal offence.

>

> On a sidenote, does dropping a butt down a grating

> - storm drains etc - constitute littering (I mean

> legally)?

Saw an article where someone got let off putting it in a grating - but it went to appeal.

[peterstorm1985]

JohnL Wrote:

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>

>

> Saw an article where someone got let off putting

> it in a grating - but it went to appeal.

What was the outcome of the appeal? In principle I would have thought it was fly-tipping as the storm drain is not a waste receptacle for public use.

[JohnL]

peterstorm1985 Wrote:

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> JohnL Wrote:

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> >

> >

> > Saw an article where someone got let off

> putting

> > it in a grating - but it went to appeal.

>

> What was the outcome of the appeal? In principle I

> would have thought it was fly-tipping as the storm

> drain is not a waste receptacle for public use.

it was an old post on AVForums(2013) from Belfast and comments a bit mixed - maybe just shows things have got stricter.

https://www.avforums.com/threads/i-managed-to-get-my-littering-fine-retracted-was-i-lucky-or-did-i-deserve-to-pay-it.1825710/page-2

[intexasatthe moment]

Where does dropping chewing gum come in to the scheme of things ? In my book a worse offence .

[rendelharris]

intexasatthe moment Wrote:

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> Where does dropping chewing gum come in to the

> scheme of things ? In my book a worse offence .

Same fine - harder to catch though I assume as the charmers just spit it out as they walk, so the warden would have to be looking in the right place at the right time.

[JohnL]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> intexasatthe moment Wrote:

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> > Where does dropping chewing gum come in to the

> > scheme of things ? In my book a worse offence .

>

> Same fine - harder to catch though I assume as the

> charmers just spit it out as they walk, so the

> warden would have to be looking in the right place

> at the right time.

They'll stick it to the underneath of seats etc. :)

What about spitting then ?