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It's not unreasonable and I think it's great if they're trying to improve the way people treat that stretch of road, which is a magnet for antisocial behaviour. It would be great if they could do more about the number of people who blatantly avoid paying to use the tube, though.

We have become a nation of Fines... Especially if you are a Motorist.


Many of which are like congestion and pollution for which it is 'O Kay as long as you Pay'


If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,

If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.

If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,

If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.


Foxy

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> We have become a nation of Fines... Especially if

> you are a Motorist.

>

> Many of which are like congestion and pollution

> for which it is 'O Kay as long as you Pay'

>

> If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,

> If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.

> If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,

> If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.

>

> Foxy

Just been reading that the Chinese may not take our plastic waste anymore because it is 'dirty'- ironic since most of it comes from China in the first place

Another benefit of Brexit- 'they' won't be able to fine us every year for breaching 'their' air pollution levels

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> For someone struggling to make ends meet, getting

> an ?80 could really tip them over the edge... just

> for dropping a chip. It's ridiculous.


Then the lesson is, don't drop it! There's a choice in there.

The problem with cigarette butts is that despite popular belief, they are NOT biodegradable.


The problem is with the filters. They are made of Synthetic Polymer Cellulose Acetate ..


These break down into tiny particles and pollute the water table, get into the oceans and get digested by marine Creatures.


DulwichFox

bobbsy Wrote:

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> So let's say you drop something and someone tries

> to give you a fine - why would you give them your

> details and not just walk off?


They will call the police - seen it happen in Brixton. Failure to give your details is a criminal offence.


On a sidenote, does dropping a butt down a grating - storm drains etc - constitute littering (I mean legally)?

rendelharris Wrote:

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> bobbsy Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > So let's say you drop something and someone

> tries

> > to give you a fine - why would you give them

> your

> > details and not just walk off?

>

> They will call the police - seen it happen in

> Brixton. Failure to give your details is a

> criminal offence.

>

> On a sidenote, does dropping a butt down a grating

> - storm drains etc - constitute littering (I mean

> legally)?



Saw an article where someone got let off putting it in a grating - but it went to appeal.

JohnL Wrote:

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>

>

> Saw an article where someone got let off putting

> it in a grating - but it went to appeal.


What was the outcome of the appeal? In principle I would have thought it was fly-tipping as the storm drain is not a waste receptacle for public use.

peterstorm1985 Wrote:

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> JohnL Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> >

> >

> > Saw an article where someone got let off

> putting

> > it in a grating - but it went to appeal.

>

> What was the outcome of the appeal? In principle I

> would have thought it was fly-tipping as the storm

> drain is not a waste receptacle for public use.



it was an old post on AVForums(2013) from Belfast and comments a bit mixed - maybe just shows things have got stricter.


https://www.avforums.com/threads/i-managed-to-get-my-littering-fine-retracted-was-i-lucky-or-did-i-deserve-to-pay-it.1825710/page-2

intexasatthe moment Wrote:

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> Where does dropping chewing gum come in to the

> scheme of things ? In my book a worse offence .


Same fine - harder to catch though I assume as the charmers just spit it out as they walk, so the warden would have to be looking in the right place at the right time.

rendelharris Wrote:

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> intexasatthe moment Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Where does dropping chewing gum come in to the

> > scheme of things ? In my book a worse offence .

>

> Same fine - harder to catch though I assume as the

> charmers just spit it out as they walk, so the

> warden would have to be looking in the right place

> at the right time.


They'll stick it to the underneath of seats etc. :)


What about spitting then ?

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