little h Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 helloHaving a terrible time with our 6 week old son, h?'s so windy and just can't settle to sleep at the moment, though annoyingly it just seems to be an evenings thing. He makes terrible noises, and sometimes spits up feed varying from tiny amount to a full projectile! Last friday i literally got half an hour Sleep as he only slept whilst being held. looks like that will happen again tonight. can anyone help? I don't know what to do and totally exhausted... (no family nearby and toddler helpfully waking in night too now). This seems to have got worse Since BCG jab last thursday but could be coincidence. Am hoping for miracle advice at 6 week check today too! infacol seems to have no effect either... Thanks for any replies!H Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuschia Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Oh noPoor youIs he breastfed or formula? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-447884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
little h Posted June 23, 2011 Author Share Posted June 23, 2011 was both but been just formula for 2 weeks... Is fine during the day, just seems to be night time. he settled around 430 then woke for Feed at 5...then eldest son woke at 6! Aaargh! h Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-447894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuschia Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Not an expert on it but many babies struggle with wind lying downColief is something you can add to formula to part digest the lactose There are thickened formulas or baby gaviscon canHelp with reflux If it was a problem with the cows milk protein I guess it would manifest round the clockI think i would consider a change of formula and possibly prop his cot a little Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-447895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuschia Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 A battery operated swing might help you outVery good for jiggling up wind and would give you a break Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-447896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen GV Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Could your husband take over nights with either child for a week?Have you taken newborn to a cranial osteopath? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-447908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yak Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Poor you, sounds like could be reflux? Def worth checking with gp. I have a baby reflux wedge for propping babies up in bed you are welcome to borrow- it's still in its packaging as we've not needed it yet. Pm me if you'd like to borrow it. Good luck! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-447911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
little h Posted June 23, 2011 Author Share Posted June 23, 2011 hellowe do share at weekends, and last night he did from 1130 till 2and i took over again then... Tricky as he's got to Be on the ball for work...Haven't tired cranial.... E was 6 weeks early by emergency c sectionh Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-447914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Loulou Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I sympathise as I had the same with my daughter, although she was breastfed only, it is an evening thing as that's when their digestive system gets tired and all the winds become painful, I found Gripe Water a bit more useful than Infacol, you can start it as it's for 1month plus. but equally try putting a blanket under the mattress so he doesn't lie horizontally, helps with refluxgood luck Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-447926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratty Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 A second for gripe water, which we found helped. Also a bit of tummy massage and cycling legs might help! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-447927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruth_Baldock Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I have heard excellent things about those baby hammocks, think they're made by Amby (?) for babies with wind, as the babies are not lying totally flat.The only way to get wind up from my son when he was a newborn was to bounce him whilst we bounced on the birth ball; my husband was excellent at it and sure enough, within 3 minutes there would either be a huge burp or massive fart from our baby and he'd be happier. Good luck! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-447930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellosailor Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Little h, poor you, hang in there, it is probably the peak right now at 6 weeks and will start to ease gradually soon.Gussy makes a great point about winding technique in the other thread that you resurrected..'Burp halfway through a feed as well as after. Become a master of your little ones anatomy! The stomach is located on the right hand side with bubs facing you. Its further down than you think. Experiment with tapping, rubbing, over shoulder, facing down on knee and patting'I know you've probably tried every different technique but we really found that rubbing quite hard with the heel of your palm, low down on the side of the back, (left hand of the back if looking at the back) quite near the bum almost, produced a bigger burp faster than patting higher up.) A few seconds of that could achieve what 10 minutes of relentless patting in the centre of the back would often fail to... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-447962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiler Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Sounds exhausting, oh dear. My nephew has reflux (still on treatment at 10 months) and could only sleep tipped up for months - they tilted the cot and bought a strap-type thingy that basically keeps the baby tipped up. It worked for them. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-447963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuschia Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 If the baby settles better in s swing than Cot it sort of leans towards reflux or heartburn being partly at fault Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-447964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennyh Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Mine had this too and after weeks off gripe water she grew out if it as soon as her digestive system matured around 12 weeks. In the meantime def try cranial osteopathy and raising the mattress a bit. Bit of baby massage and bycicle movements with his legs. It does go away though, one night my daughter just stopped! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-447988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
little h Posted June 23, 2011 Author Share Posted June 23, 2011 ah, my lovely hubby should be good at low lack massage...he did it for several hours on me when in labour with no 1 son :-) Sounds like lots of trial and error. Now if if could also find way of keeping toddler in bed overnight and to sleep past 6am....Thanks everyone from me and very tired mr littleh . Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-448040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClareC Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 You have my sympathies!I have exactly the same problem, baby is 7 weeks and toddler is 17 mths. It has definitely got better though. I find the baby is happy upright. I use a sling, bouncy chair and swing in the day. I also use infacol and gripe water plus do the stomach massage and leg cycling. The last few nights he has settled fine. As for toddler waking.... We had the same problem, my partner deals with her when it happens and I've found closing our bedroom door and me leaping up to the baby as soon as he stirs has helped! Its hard as we want to be close enough to hear her but could do with being further away so she doesn't get disturbed!! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-448065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
little h Posted June 23, 2011 Author Share Posted June 23, 2011 hello alldr and health visitors were great today....lots of sympathy too... Been prescribed ranitidine and gaviscon infant for e and dr was confident this would help as definitely reflux, i feel quite guilty for not taking him in sooner as dr said h?'s clearly in pain . Fingers crossed and we'll hope for improvements... She did say reflux gets worse as baby gets bigger, which is why its suddenly got worse.In meantime will try various massage/winding tips from the forum and tilt the matress until i can collect the offered reflux wedge Hx Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-448183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClareC Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Did the Dr indicate how to tell the difference between reflux and just windy? I'm feeling guilty now just incase it's more than wind... :-( Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-448190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuschia Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Usually they do throw uP a lot Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-448194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 What I found with my son (had quite bad reflux) was that he was in a lot of pain during feeds as well as after, and threw up an unbelievable amount - literally we were always changing our clothes, and had to use a throw on the sofa as it was getting ruined! We were v thankful of having laminate/wooden floors i.e. wipe clean, and I prob went through about 5 muslins a day, maybe more. Always had to have one in the pram as he'd throw up there a fair bit, and had to change moses basket/cot sheets a lot. We had the mattress raised for months and that def helped. I found that whilst gaviscon didn't stop the throwing up, it seemed to diminish the pain of swallowing the feed, which helped a great deal. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-448199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClareC Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 My baby boy brings up small amounts of milk, not necessarily straight after a feed but certainly not a full feed, projectile or anything significant. I was a sicky baby according to my mum so I've just assumed he is like me. There are odd days when he seems to be sick more frequently but generally it's nothing too bad, just a bit unpredictable. The wind is more in the stomach, it's bottom burps ;-) that seem to upset him, seems to be afternoons for some reason. Unlike my daughter he doesn't seem to poo very frequently which I understand is quite normal for a b/f baby. Amazing how two children born a year apart with the same parents can be soooooo different! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-448223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDmummy Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Had the same with first born but he was breast fed. I drank lots of fennel tea and he had cranial osteopathy (although that was to help with very difficult birth issues). Bit of a while ago, can't remember if you can give sips of fennel tea to little ones. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-448236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiler Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 There can also be "silent" reflux where they have the pain, but no sickness. My nephew was/is very, very sicky, but the main thing was the pain cries during, after feeds, it was so sad to see the look on his face, poor mite. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-448257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Another thing you could try, as he's formula fed, is Aptamil Easy Digest (or it might be called Aptamil Comfort now). It's in yellow packaging and you can get it in Sainsbury's. A HV recommended it when my baby was refluxy. Hope he gets better soon and that you get some more sleep! We found ranitidine helped so fingers crossed it will for you too. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/18010-up-all-night-again-with-windy-newborn/#findComment-448484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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