canada goose coats

[decca]

I was going to order a Canada Goose jacket online [not the full on Parkas with all the trimmings], but just to be sure visited their Regent Street store today to try one on. Lots of people there protesting about animal cruelty, particularly the use of Coyote fur. Had no idea of the controversy surrounding the use of fur for the hoods etc. Decided to take a rain check on purchase even though jacket I wanted to didn't contain any. Seems to be lots of conflicting information on line and wondering if anyone wiser on what the situation is ?.

[singalto]

The fluffy pom-poms so popular on bobble hats are often made from animal fur so I won?t touch them with a barge pole.

[Jules-and-Boo]

PETA do a lot of work re educating people about the cruelty behind Canada Goose costs - google it. There's lots of events and public information.

It's sickening. https://www.peta.org.uk/action/spread-word-canada-goose-cruelty/

I'm really glad to hear of the decision you made today.

[decca]

ok cheers, thank you for sending the link over. My bad in terms of lack of awareness. Seen quite a few around the area and must say they look really stylish and warm. The one I was going to buy didn't have fur, but felt I would be buying into the brand. I guess it's not a huge issue if they are being bought by people who live in a really cold climate but what was going through my mind was that they must be selling coats on an industrial scale.

[flocker spotter]

What you see around the area are 90% fakes anyway.As you say, they do have a practical use in the winter in Cananda, less so when shopping on Lordship lane.

[Jules-and-Boo]

I don't think they're fake brand. It reflects the scale of the problem. There is lots of fake fur available, which is a good thing.

[flocker spotter]

This is for the lounge really but most of what you see around the streets is fake CG, coming in from China.I can buy a fake with the holograms/ labels etc for less 500 RMB in Shanghai last time I was out there, less for bulk.

[Jules-and-Boo]

Sadly, I think you'll find the fur is real nonetheless.

You can get fake fur that looks very realistic, but generally it's not supposed to.

[japseylarue]

Often real fur is cheaper than fake.

I wish there were more people like the op around who take the time to find out what they're buying and who have a conscience.

[civilservant]

true that real fur is often cheaper than fake

i wasn't aware of the issue (or of Canada Goose for that matter) until i came across the PETA demo while walking up Regent Street.

according to the PETA fliers, the fur is obtained from gin-trap-caught coyotes (rather than humanely(?)shot coyotes.

however they get it, i don't think that the use of fur on their coats is in any way warranted, as it seems to be limited to trimming/decoration rather than actually keeping the wearer warm

[ianr]

This is what the Canada Goose company, and their suppliers of down, have to say:

http://www.canadagoose.com/uk/en/fur-and-down-policy/fur-and-down-policy.html

http://www.featherind.com/company-policy.htm

[flocker spotter]

There is an argument that the structure of real fur provides a benefit in the Arctic, specifically in the snorkel type parka. I do not think however that unless you are a regular arctic explorer but who lives in ED the rest of the year, then you will hardly be using any of those benefits. So yes, the trim is marketing for the majority of purchasers.

[DaveR]

PETA is an organisation that opposes the 'wearing' of any animal product in any circumstances so the issue (at least for them) is not about fur per se or humane farming. If you're a vegan you won't wear Canada Goose. If you're not, you're on the wrong side for PETA whatever else you do.

[NewWave]

I must say that however cold it gets in the UK there is rarely any need for what is in effect ski-wear.

Brands such as Moncleur CG etc .

I suffer terribly with the cold but wear a wool coat (or a waterproof one) a big shawl and have a hat and I'm fine.

unless you're going skiing you really don't need that sort of cold protection.

and it makes tube travel damn uncomftable.

[Jules-and-Boo]

Maybe PETA are very clear where they stand but I wouldn't go so far to say that you are either vegan or on their 'wrong side'. In fact, there's nothing wrong with making informed decisions (like the OP) or being vegan.

Either of which are preferable to being willfully ignorant about the suffering behind the closed doors of a number of companies/ industries.

I would rather be able to criticise an organisation for being vegan than not having anyone seek to provide information and reduce animal cruelty.

And since veganism is getting quite on trend, it wouldn't surprise me much to have a vegan restaurant on LL. Oh, maybe on second thoughts....

[DaveR]

The only information I could see on the PETA website about the use of down in clothing, for example, was entirely generic criticism without any evidence and certainly none about Canada Goose. Plus, I'd be dubious about views on cruelty from an organisation which explicitly considers any use of down to be inherently wrong; they're not exactly objective.

My own view is that PETA is an extremist propaganda organisation, and I wouldn't trust them as an accurate source of information about anything, but that's just my view. Canada Goose evidently have specific policies about using animal products and people can decide for themselves what to do.

[civilservant]

PETA might be an extremist propaganda organisation, but it has a role to play in educating consumers about provenance

This from the CG website, which I didn't add to my earlier post as i didn't want to labour the point

"Why we choose fur: No matter where they?re worn, many of our products are designed and built to protect against the elements in the coldest places on Earth ? places where exposed skin can freeze in an instant. In these environments, we believe that fur is the best choice. Having fur trim around a jacket hood disrupts airflow and creates turbulent air which helps protect the face from frostbite."

if you're experiencing a winter where 'exposed skin can freeze in an instant', then fair enough, by all means skin a coyote to protect your face from frostbite - but i haven't lived through a lot of those in ED, or anywhere in the UK for that matter...

however, all this is academic as far as i'm concerned - i don't think i'm in the CG customer demographic, not at those prices, anyway!

[DaveR]

"PETA might be an extremist propaganda organisation, but it has a role to play in educating consumers about provenance"

This sounds a bit like saying "UKIP are a bunch of single issue fanatics but it has a role to play in educating voters about the economic effects of immigration".

FWIW I also think it's pretty silly wearing full on Arctic gear on the streets of comparatively balmy London but I'm b*ggered if I'm going to be lectured by super-vegan fascists.

[JohnL]

Everyone seems to be wearing these :)

[DuncanW]

Interesting post and had a similar(ish) experience a couple of years ago. I had been toying with the idea of buying one and to my discredit, hadn't given much consideration to the fur-lined hood. I was in Liberty and asked an assistant if they stocked that brand, to be told that Liberty did not stock fur products for ethical reasons.

I did some quick research including PETA and the CG website, and bought something similar with fake fur.

With regards to the question of is it okay to buy and wear non-fur CG items, that's a moot point if you consider that there are other major fashion brands who also use fur; Fendi produce a lot fur products and are owned by LVMH, so if you're against fur, would you also restrict yourself from any LVMH product - that's quite a long list. Burberry also have quite a range of fur products.

[Earl Aelfheah]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Everyone seems to be wearing these :)

I had no idea there was such demand for high end polar wear in ED (first I've heard of them, but wow are they expensive).

[Angelina]

it's not a moot point at all - there are many companies that do not use fur - and have stopped using fur altogether - and they should be more of an inspiration - Gucci, Stella McCartney, Michael Kors, Calvin Klein - the list goes on and is getting bigger.

Those that do are diminishing.

I also would hope more people make informed and ethical choices.

[rendelharris]

DaveR Wrote:

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> I'm b*ggered if I'm going to be

> lectured by super-vegan fascists.

Fascism: a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

If that's what PETA have planned we'd better let the government and security forces know. If, on the other hand, they're just well-intentioned if occasionally a bit silly peaceful animal rights advocates, perhaps you need to think about chucking such ridiculous terms around.

[DaveR]

I'm similarly unkeen on being lectured by the EDF's resident bleeding heart PITA who thinks c&p from an online dictionary gives him the upper hand.

[rendelharris]

DaveR Wrote:

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> I'm similarly unkeen on being lectured by the

> EDF's resident bleeding heart PITA who thinks c&p

> from an online dictionary gives him the upper

> hand.

Ah, insults instead of argument, pretty much as expected. I couldn't care less about your insulting me, but loosely chucking the term fascist at people and groups with whom you happen to disagree is pathetic. Several of my family died fighting real fascism, do grow up and find some arguments instead of tasteless and meaningless insults.