Reserving car space with wheelie bins

[Curmudgeon]

We have local community schools with very small catchment areas and parents shouldn?t be driving their kids to school in the first place, unless there are disability issues.

My personal niggle is that the double yellow lines that have been recently put in on the corners of most roads have done nothing to improve safety. The roads are clearly too narrow and the angles too steep to impact on safely pulling out or crossing. The only consequence has been to make residential parking far more difficult and neighbours far more likely to be unneighbourly. I do wonder at the level of expertise of the people who planned, voted on and implemented these measures

[uncleglen]

Curmudgeon Wrote:

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> We have local community schools with very small

> catchment areas and parents shouldn?t be driving

> their kids to school in the first place, unless

> there are disability issues.

>

> My personal niggle is that the double yellow lines

> that have been recently put in on the corners of

> most roads have done nothing to improve safety.

> The roads are clearly too narrow and the angles

> too steep to impact on safely pulling out or

> crossing. The only consequence has been to make

> residential parking far more difficult and

> neighbours far more likely to be unneighbourly. I

> do wonder at the level of expertise of the people

> who planned, voted on and implemented these

> measures

You are right about the 'school run'- part of that problem are the faith schools in the area- faith schools should NOT be included when assessing the number of primary places available because their catchment area is the whole of the south east London catholic population and having worked in a faith school or 2 I know how they allocate places - atheists are at the bottom of the consideration.

You are right about the yellow lines- they certainly do not help pedestrians as I walk around these streets frequently and cannot see what is coming any better. I can only think that they are helping the explosion of building related vehicles turn right and left.

The level of 'expertise' who planned, voted on etc is purely rooted in spending the allocated money before April, and politics- AND as a person with various relatives in the construction industry I can tell you that there is massive fraudulent activity...let's not forget who voted for this particular ruling Council either- and it was not me (I've been around here for too long, have met too many people with stories to tell, and I've attended council meetings and I'm appalled

[intexasatthe moment]

Curmudgeon ,well said .

I completely agree with both points and the final concern .

[singalto]

I live near the new Harris primary school and see that many parents have interpreted the new double yellow lines as parking spaces just for them!

[FightingFit]

FGS this thread needs parking

[Captain Kernow]

Curmudgeon Wrote:

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>

> My personal niggle is that the double yellow lines

> that have been recently put in on the corners of

> most roads have done nothing to improve safety.

> The roads are clearly too narrow and the angles

> too steep to impact on safely pulling out or

> crossing. The only consequence has been to make

> residential parking far more difficult and

> neighbours far more likely to be unneighbourly. I

> do wonder at the level of expertise of the people

> who planned, voted on and implemented these

> measures

Absolutely, the new double yellow lines are ridiculous and in most cases have taken away x4 spaces from each road-add in my new pet peeve of zip cars multiplying and I'm increasingly coming around to the idea of CPZ.

[DulwichFox]

Often after shopping I find I cannot park ANYWHERE on my road not just outside my house.

So I park elsewhere outside some one else's house.

When a space becomes available, I dash round to my car and drive back to my road and find the space gone.

So I drive back to where I was parked to find THAT space no longer available. Perhaps occupied by the person living there.

Reserving a space with bins means everyone eventually gets back to being outside or near there own home.

DulwichFox

[KidKruger]

"atheists are at the bottom of the consideration" of faith schools, whatever next !?

[uncleglen]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> "atheists are at the bottom of the consideration"

> of faith schools, whatever next !?

I think you are in the wrong section- but anyway- if you apply to a 'faith' school and put Atheism' in the section asking about faith you must be extremely honest and should therefore get a place automatically imho

[robbin]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> No it doesn't really matter in the greater scheme

> of things, but it happens to be being discussed,

> so...

>

> You rather make my point - nobody blocking off a

> space can know the needs of other people who might

> need that space, so I just think it's fairest for

> nobody to do it.

>

> Skips are an entirely different matter, they're

> licensed by the council.

I agree with Rendel.

[robbin]

Louisa Wrote:

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> I don?t get why anyone would feel the need to park

> their vehicle outside someone else?s house, and

> potentially leave it there for days or weeks at a

> time. Often large vans which block out the light

> to a persons home too. It?s just pure ignorance.

>

> I get that parking is at a premium, and if you

> live on nearby roads you often need to park your

> vehicle in places you wouldn?t normally because so

> few spaces are available near your own front door.

> But, there is absolutely no excuse for parking

> your vehicle outside someone else?s house for

> extended periods. It may not be illegal, but it is

> highly ignorant and confrontational.

>

> Louisa.

I agree with that first paragraph if you are talking about all the 'businesses' (often sole traders) that park their crummy used cars/large vans on the street instead of on business premises. However, if someone happens not to be driving their private car for a few days and it stays outside my house then I can't see that it is objectionable or confrontational (it may be a bit irritating or inconvenient but that's a different thing and I would have no valid grounds for complaint).

I can see that it might be considered objectionable or confrontational by any resident whose house a car is parked outside considers that part of the public highway to belong to them - but not otherwise.

I think that may be where you are coming from Louisa? I recall you posting several times on the EDF that you routinely put bins outside to 'save' 'your' parking space.

[Louisa]

Businesses with white vans, leaving them parked outside your property, is annoying. But isn?t illegal.

Indidividuals with private cars from outside the area, leaving them parked outside your property, is annoying. But isn?t illegal.

My point is, you can park your vehicle where you like on a public road if it?s not obstructing anyone or causing problems. BUT, it is extremely rude and not at all community spirited to do your upmost to remove that vehicle within a certain period of time, at the discretion of the vehicle owner.

I have nothing against a person from the street behind mine parking outside my house when they can?t park on their own street because of inconsiderate out of town drivers stealing those spaces. But I would think it was perfectly appropriate of me to expect them to do everything within their grasp to endeavour to get that car back on their road when traffic calms in the evening or later in the day.

Yes I have reserved a space with wheelie bins when I?ve been back and forward to hospital and need a space outside my property without being forced to walk miles to my front door. I have also reserved a space when I have been expecting big deliveries from the likes of B&Q or Homebase. I am not ashamed of that fact.

Louisa.

[robbin]

Louisa Wrote:

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> ... Yes I have reserved a space with wheelie bins when

> I?ve been back and forward to hospital and need a

> space outside my property without being forced to

> walk miles to my front door. I have also reserved

> a space when I have been expecting big deliveries

> from the likes of B&Q or Homebase. I am not

> ashamed of that fact.

>

> Louisa.

Hmmm, you have certainly changed your tune then, Louisa! It didn't used to be just on hospital trips!

message Re: One hour free parking in the area...

Posted by Louisa 26 January, 2015 15:55

StraferJack I personally believe it is common decency that a person shouldn't park outside someone's house - regardless of how desperate they are for the space. I drive almost everywhere, with the exception of around here because it is primarily residential and I walk so as not to inconvenience people. I've been at the wrong end of a selfish space stealer outside my own place many a time and I wouldn't want to do the same to someone else.

A space is outside your house for good reason, it is technically your space (regardless of it being on a public road), and it should be public convention that this space is only occupied by the people (persons) who occupy the property in front of it.

Louisa.

[Louisa]

It is not a secret that I still believe that a space directly in front of your property, as a matter of default, should be a priority space for the use of the resident who occupies the house directly in front of that space. It isn?t a legal thing, it?s about decent citizenship and doing the right neighbourly thing. This isn?t just about cars, it could be about skips, deliveries, urgent need for a ambulance etc

In these busy times it is clearly difficult to achieve this when we have out of town space stealers actively shunning said convention and ignorantly parking wherever they can. I also appreciate that neighbours may struggle for a space too, I?m not ignorant to these facts.

I am merely pointing out, that is is common courtesy and community spirited to keep kerbside spaces outside of properties, primarily for the use of the resident within that vicinity, as frequently as possible. And when the roads have quietened down, others should be mindful of that fact.

I have had many a argument with people over this outside my house, and would do so again. If I need to reserve a space I believe it is my right to do so. It is common sense surely?

Louisa.

[Guest]

BikeChick Wrote:

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> I don?t think anyone is entitled to a skip outside

> their house!

out of interest, what would you like builders to do with their rubbish if they can't have a skip?

[Sue]

Louisa Wrote:

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> I have had many a argument with people over this

> outside my house, and would do so again.

I'm not surprised.

You do not own the road outside your house.

Anybody can park there, including people who may have urgent need of that space, including an ambulance needed for your neighbours.

ETA: Perhaps it is my imagination, but you do seem to sometimes post things deliberately designed to provoke.

"Out of town space stealers actively shunning said convention and ignorantly parking wherever they can." Like visiting relatives?

You're having a laugh, no?

[Louisa]

Sue. Despite a lengthy post explaining myself, you decide to pinpoint one sentence and take it out of context. I said in the very next sentence;

?I also appreciate that neighbours may struggle for a space too, I?m not ignorant to these facts.?

So please quote me entirely rather than picking and choosing to justify a point.

I am not having a laugh, I am being serious here. People coming to a neighbourhood to park outside my house for lengthy periods is not acceptable. Especially people who are commuters looking for free parking during the day whilst they head off into town. It?s just not a very moral thing to do, despite it not being illegal. Would you not agree?

Louisa.

[Sue]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Especially people who are commuters looking for

> free parking during the day whilst they head off

> into town. It?s just not a very moral thing to do,

> despite it not being illegal. Would you not agree?

No, I don't agree, sorry Louisa.

What would you do in their position?

I would look for a place to park whilst I headed off into town.

Where do you park when you drive to somewhere not your house?

I do realise that I'm just falling into your trip-trap trip-trap trip-trap here .....:))

[Louisa]

Sue Wrote:

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> Louisa Wrote:

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>

>

> > Especially people who are commuters looking for

> > free parking during the day whilst they head

> off

> > into town. It?s just not a very moral thing to

> do,

> > despite it not being illegal. Would you not

> agree?

>

>

> No, I don't agree, sorry Louisa.

>

> What would you do in their position?

>

> I would look for a place to park whilst I headed

> off into town.

>

> Where do you park when you drive to somewhere not

> your house?

>

> I do realise that I'm just falling into your

> trip-trap trip-trap trip-trap here .....:))

No I wouldn?t do that if I were in their position. I wouldn?t park my car on a public road outside someone?s house to commute elsewhere. I would walk from my home to the train station and do it that way. The obvious way to do it, without selfishly upsetting others in the community.

When I take my car out for the day, I park in allocated multi-storey/outside car parks where I pay for the privilege of abandoning my vehicle for the ease of being able to shop or socialise. That?s common sense, that?s the right thing to do.

Parking in front of someone?s house is just plain ignorance. That?s my opinion Sue.

Louisa.

[Sue]

So Louisa.

If you drive to visit relatives or friends.

Where do you park your car?

And if there is no room outside their home - where do you park it then?

[Louisa]

Sue, whenever I go to visit family or friends, I am often in a situation in which parking outside isn?t an option due to CPZ?s and/or parking restrictions. If I go to visit my friend in Petts Wood, I often take advantage of the Morrison?s which has a multi storey option where I can park as long as I buy something from the store. Most times I visit people I will happily be prepared to park along designated charging zones of high streets where I pay a small fee for the opportunity to park for X number of hours. I don?t get why that is s problem myself? I would feel more comfortable doing that, than stealing a space outside someone?s house.

Louisa.

[singalto]

Ideally I like to park outside my house but it is not my right to do so. I don?t understand the concept of ?stealing a space outside someone?s home?.

[mariagatty]

What else are you supposed to do. We had our windows replaced recently and the poor guys had to park at the other end of the road and were constantly running to and fro because someone decided to move our bins out of the road.

[mariagatty]

We had our windows replaced recently and the poor guys had to park at the other end of the road and were constantly running to and fro because someone decided to move our bins out of the road where we had allowed a space for them to park

[Sue]

If ever I need to reserve a space for something like that, which is rarely, I sellotape notes to the bins saying why.

If it's raining I put them (notes not bins!) in clear plastic covers.

I've never had a problem yet, touch wood.