Football Focus

[Emerson Crane]

Sorry Sean, while I have breath in my body I can't bring myself to join anyone in congratulating spurs on anything. It goes with the territory.

[Jah Lush]

Emerson, I understand that and it wouldn't suit you to take the blinkers off.

[Emerson Crane]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Emerson, I understand that and it wouldn't suit

> you to take the blinkers off.

99% of Arsenal fans would agree with me, sorry you find it hard to cope with but thats how it is.

[????]

I'm gonna side with Emerson on this, trad rivalries still feel very important..upto a point. They are part of football culture - the irrational, illogical, tribal bit which still has a place, however it's a thin line between the initial silliness and eventual malevolance that they led to in the past.

[Emerson Crane]

Cheers quids

[Jah Lush]

I was agreeing by "understanding" Emerson. You may have missed that. I can cope but the bile gets on my tits. Quids is perfectly correct in what he says.

[Emerson Crane]

Fair shout, but there was no bile in either of my previous 2 posts I think you'll agree.

[Narnia]

I think JL was referring to the rivalry between the clubs fans' and not you specifically EC.

[murphy]

I run a large building firm and my son goes and runs a smaller company a few miles away. He asks me for a few favours (and I know the owner) so I lend them a brickie, carpenter and plumber who are better than most of their guys and better paid so I agree I'll pay some of their wages as well. Over winter what with all the snow their their yard wasn't fit to work in, I told them no problem come and use all our facilities, all your staff can come over and use our place no problem. Anyway my son made a bit of a balls up and they sacked him. They then act all surprised when I tell the brickie, carpenter and plumber to come back and work for me, they need them for own business they say, ignoring the fact that the contract we drew up said I could recall them at any time. Unbelievable, you try and do some people a favour.

[SeanMacGabhann]

Or you could let your guys work there and work out with your son why he ballsed up?

[Jah Lush]

Narnia Wrote:

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> I think JL was referring to the rivalry between

> the clubs fans' and not you specifically EC.

Correct.

[Emerson Crane]

murphy Wrote:

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> I run a large building firm and my son goes and

> runs a smaller company a few miles away. He asks

> me for a few favours (and I know the owner) so I

> lend them a brickie, carpenter and plumber who are

> better than most of their guys and better paid so

> I agree I'll pay some of their wages as well. Over

> winter what with all the snow their their yard

> wasn't fit to work in, I told them no problem come

> and use all our facilities, all your staff can

> come over and use our place no problem. Anyway my

> son made a bit of a balls up and they sacked him.

> They then act all surprised when I tell the

> brickie, carpenter and plumber to come back and

> work for me, they need them for own business they

> say, ignoring the fact that the contract we drew

> up said I could recall them at any time.

> Unbelievable, you try and do some people a favour.

So Ferguson is a builder now? Joking aside, Ferguson won't use the players recalled in the first team so thats a non starter as an argument. Pure petulance, exactly in character and what you'd expect.

[????]

Agreed petulance, single-mindenness, hardness, etc etc I suspect that collectively that's what's behind most of the great Managers.

Doesn't seem an especially nice person, doesn't have to be.

[????]

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[????]

We had a nice manager last year

[Emerson Crane]

???? Wrote:

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> Agreed petulance, single-mindenness, hardness, etc

> etc I suspect that collectively that's what's

> behind most of the great Managers.

>

> Doesn't seem an especially nice person, doesn't

> have to be.

Nor is Sam Allardyce, so whats that got to do with it? He's hardly success personified is he. Just don't see what was acheived by recalling the players, other than cos he could. If thats the case, take a bow son as Andy Gray would say, you've justed proved what we all thought was true of you.

[Jah Lush]

Agreed. Ferguson is what he is today because he's a tough old bastard. Like him or loathe he is still the most successful manager around and he didn't get where he is today by being nice.

As John Lennon once said about the Beatles. "You have to be a bastard to make it and the Beatles were the biggest bastards."

[Emerson Crane]

Ok fine, hear what you say, but can't see what was achieved, as I said previously, by recalling the players other than throwing his teddy out of the pram. Good old Alex, you're a toff guv.

[????]

He like to throw his teddy out the pram, bears grudges, remembers slights, believes in loyalty to him....I'm surprised you're surprised by any of this.

[Emerson Crane]

Not at all surprised, he is consistent, I'll give him that.

[Narnia]

He did write in the programme for the Man U v Arse game recently telling ManU fans to lay off Wenger with the distasteful chanting about he having an unhealthy interest in young boys. He also seems to be popular with his fellow managers. If ever there's an indication of someone being ok, it probably that. Like I said, this action was him in Dad mode. Sometimes you do things you regret and he may yet regret it. Just don't put this action in the same category as everything else he has done. It's different. It's not football related.

[Emerson Crane]

Narnia Wrote:

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> Just don't put this action

> in the same category as everything else he has

> done. It's different. It's not football related.

Without wishing to sound like I'm taking the piss, how is recalling players from a fottball club to another not football related?

[Narnia]

Not to him.......it's son related. Football happens to be involved but nothing to do with his actions. After all it would have been better for the players and the club if he left them there to gain experience.

[murphy]

Sean Wrote:

Or you could let your guys work there and work out with your son why he ballsed up?

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Agree you work out why he ballsed up but no way do you leave the guys to work there, why the hell should you?

Narnia Wrote:

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> Not to him.......it's son related. Football

> happens to be involved but nothing to do with his

> actions. After all it would have been better for

> the players and the club if he left them there to

> gain experience.

No it would not be better. If he feels they need experience he can send them to another club.

Fergie is a tough old git. I am sure the way he sees it, he did someone a favour, (also a favour to his son), they sack his son, the favour is over. The recall of the players is a case of you can't have your cake and eat it, being a mean old Glaswegian Fergie would have seen anything else as going soft.

Besides Palace at home to Preston on Monday >:D<

[murphy]

Understand Fergie recalling his own players but if he has something to do with this Stoke recall Pugh and Tonge from Preston it really is over the top and unfair on Preston.