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I'm gonna side with Emerson on this, trad rivalries still feel very important..upto a point. They are part of football culture - the irrational, illogical, tribal bit which still has a place, however it's a thin line between the initial silliness and eventual malevolance that they led to in the past.
I run a large building firm and my son goes and runs a smaller company a few miles away. He asks me for a few favours (and I know the owner) so I lend them a brickie, carpenter and plumber who are better than most of their guys and better paid so I agree I'll pay some of their wages as well. Over winter what with all the snow their their yard wasn't fit to work in, I told them no problem come and use all our facilities, all your staff can come over and use our place no problem. Anyway my son made a bit of a balls up and they sacked him. They then act all surprised when I tell the brickie, carpenter and plumber to come back and work for me, they need them for own business they say, ignoring the fact that the contract we drew up said I could recall them at any time. Unbelievable, you try and do some people a favour.

murphy Wrote:

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> I run a large building firm and my son goes and

> runs a smaller company a few miles away. He asks

> me for a few favours (and I know the owner) so I

> lend them a brickie, carpenter and plumber who are

> better than most of their guys and better paid so

> I agree I'll pay some of their wages as well. Over

> winter what with all the snow their their yard

> wasn't fit to work in, I told them no problem come

> and use all our facilities, all your staff can

> come over and use our place no problem. Anyway my

> son made a bit of a balls up and they sacked him.

> They then act all surprised when I tell the

> brickie, carpenter and plumber to come back and

> work for me, they need them for own business they

> say, ignoring the fact that the contract we drew

> up said I could recall them at any time.

> Unbelievable, you try and do some people a favour.


So Ferguson is a builder now? Joking aside, Ferguson won't use the players recalled in the first team so thats a non starter as an argument. Pure petulance, exactly in character and what you'd expect.

???? Wrote:

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> Agreed petulance, single-mindenness, hardness, etc

> etc I suspect that collectively that's what's

> behind most of the great Managers.

>

> Doesn't seem an especially nice person, doesn't

> have to be.


Nor is Sam Allardyce, so whats that got to do with it? He's hardly success personified is he. Just don't see what was acheived by recalling the players, other than cos he could. If thats the case, take a bow son as Andy Gray would say, you've justed proved what we all thought was true of you.

Agreed. Ferguson is what he is today because he's a tough old bastard. Like him or loathe he is still the most successful manager around and he didn't get where he is today by being nice.


As John Lennon once said about the Beatles. "You have to be a bastard to make it and the Beatles were the biggest bastards."

He did write in the programme for the Man U v Arse game recently telling ManU fans to lay off Wenger with the distasteful chanting about he having an unhealthy interest in young boys. He also seems to be popular with his fellow managers. If ever there's an indication of someone being ok, it probably that. Like I said, this action was him in Dad mode. Sometimes you do things you regret and he may yet regret it. Just don't put this action in the same category as everything else he has done. It's different. It's not football related.

Narnia Wrote:

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> Just don't put this action

> in the same category as everything else he has

> done. It's different. It's not football related.


Without wishing to sound like I'm taking the piss, how is recalling players from a fottball club to another not football related?

Sean Wrote:

Or you could let your guys work there and work out with your son why he ballsed up?

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Agree you work out why he ballsed up but no way do you leave the guys to work there, why the hell should you?





Narnia Wrote:

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> Not to him.......it's son related. Football

> happens to be involved but nothing to do with his

> actions. After all it would have been better for

> the players and the club if he left them there to

> gain experience.


No it would not be better. If he feels they need experience he can send them to another club.


Fergie is a tough old git. I am sure the way he sees it, he did someone a favour, (also a favour to his son), they sack his son, the favour is over. The recall of the players is a case of you can't have your cake and eat it, being a mean old Glaswegian Fergie would have seen anything else as going soft.


Besides Palace at home to Preston on Monday >:D<

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