Football Focus

[Narnia]

Oh, it's 9 0 clock. The nursery is open.

[Emerson Crane]

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> Oh, it's 9 0 clock. The nursery is open.

And here you are! Have you got a teddy to throw out of your pram, or do you prefer to spit a dummy?

[????]

Boring old sh1te again...didn't last long did it

[Mick Mac]

Roy Keane to be sacked this morning and Hodgson has apparently said his goodbyes to players (source-radio5).

[Emerson Crane]

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> Boring old sh1te again...didn't last long did it

Nope, Jah, Narnia and Sandperson, same little gang.

[????]

Victim

[Keef]

Come on everyone, lets play nice, and that means all of you Emerson. Anyway, yeah looks like Woy is going. I genuinely feel for him, and think it's especially sad that a lot of liverpool fans will laugh him out, and seem convinced it was all his fault. There is a part of me (not the liverpool fan, but the fair part) that hopes he goes elsewhere, and comes back to bite these fans in the arse. He deserved a chance at least, being warmly welcomed for his first home match might have been a good start. Good luck to you Woy, you're a decent chap who has been treated badly by a load of spoilt kids.

[Atticus]

Emerson, I know little of you, or, of the supposed little gang but I have to say most of your chat on this thread is nothing but dull, childish, inane rubbish. I'm all for a wind up (especially when it comes to my fellow Merseysiders) but with you it always seems to spiral into petty drivel.

[Emerson Crane]

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> Victim

Some might say so, and have. Always two sides to every story, don't you agree?

[SeanMacGabhann]

what keef said

I think the players have to shoulder a fair amount of the blame on this - they seme to have existed in a "let's see what happens" state of mind for quite a long time now

And Emerson - if enough people are pointing the finger at you at least have pause for thought and think it might be you and not them?

[Emerson Crane]

Atticus Wrote:

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> Emerson, I know little of you, or, of the supposed

> little gang but I have to say most of your chat on

> this thread is nothing but dull, childish, inane

> rubbish. I'm all for a wind up (especially when it

> comes to my fellow Merseysiders) but with you it

> always seems to spiral into petty drivel.

Thanks for your constructive and insightful feedback. I bow to your superiority. Your postings are an example to us all, and of a quality which we all aspire to.

[Emerson Crane]

SeanMacGabhann Wrote:

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> what keef said

>

> I think the players have to shoulder a fair amount

> of the blame on this - they seme to have existed

> in a "let's see what happens" state of mind for

> quite a long time now

>

> And Emerson - if enough people are pointing the

> finger at you at least have pause for thought and

> think it might be you and not them?

Oh sure, but the reverse may also be true, no?

[Atticus]

Keef, you've taken wind out my sails with that last comment, a very frank and honest view, one which very few of my red friends seem to want to believe.

[Narnia]

Any truth in what a journalist on the radio this morning would have you believe,that the fans didn't take to RH as he was from London?

[Narnia]

Emerson Crane Wrote:

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> SeanMacGabhann Wrote:

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> > what keef said

> >

> > I think the players have to shoulder a fair

> amount

> > of the blame on this - they seme to have

> existed

> > in a "let's see what happens" state of mind for

> > quite a long time now

> >

> > And Emerson - if enough people are pointing the

> > finger at you at least have pause for thought

> and

> > think it might be you and not them?

>

> Oh sure, but the reverse may also be true, no?

Correct....no. I'm hitting the colon next to your name EC so I don't have to read your posts anymore. They've just become irritating.

[Annasfield]

Narnia Wrote:

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> Any truth in what a journalist on the radio this

> morning would have you believe,that the fans

> didn't take to RH as he was from London?

The same journalist who doesn't want Allardyce at West Ham because he's Northern?

Poor old Roy, lets feel sorry for him because he's a nice chap. Yeah, thats what supporting a football team is about. Sod the results on the pitch, he's a nice fella and he tries.

I do also blame the players for some of their displays, but I seem to recall a new manager would lift them and steady the ship, especially as that nasty Spanish man was so horrible to them.

The double standards here are hilarious.

[Annasfield]

Oh and cheers for the spoilt kid comment Keef. I think the spoilt kid "fans" were the one's that didn't appreciate Benitez by affording him one poor season.

[Emerson Crane]

Narnia Wrote:

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> Emerson Crane Wrote:

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> > SeanMacGabhann Wrote:

> >

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> > -----

> > > what keef said

> > >

> > > I think the players have to shoulder a fair

> > amount

> > > of the blame on this - they seme to have

> > existed

> > > in a "let's see what happens" state of mind

> for

> > > quite a long time now

> > >

> > > And Emerson - if enough people are pointing

> the

> > > finger at you at least have pause for thought

> > and

> > > think it might be you and not them?

> >

> > Oh sure, but the reverse may also be true, no?

>

> Correct....no. I'm hitting the colon next to your

> name EC so I don't have to read your posts

> anymore. They've just become irritating.

Very adult of you.

[Emerson Crane]

Annasfield Wrote:

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> Oh and cheers for the spoilt kid comment Keef. I

> think the spoilt kid "fans" were the one's that

> didn't appreciate Benitez by affording him one

> poor season.

It always makes me smile when others on here are all so self righteous and throw their hands up in mock horror when posters such as you and I put stuff on here that doesn't square with their view of the world. But you and I know this don't we Anna.

[david_carnell]

I want to know what makes a "big club"?

All I keep hearing about is how Liverpool (in this instance - other clubs have their moments) deserve success and therefore need a new manager because they are a "big club".

In the past, ditto for Newcastle, Leeds, Chelsea, Spurs etc

But what mystery ingredient makes a club "big"? Stadium size? Fan base? Only team in a geographic area?

I know this while rile the 'pool fans on here but maybe this is the time that you accept being average for a while. It happens to all teams at some point - see Man Utd 1980s, Chelsea 1985-2000, Leeds 2002 to present etc etc

[Keef]

Anna my comment wasn't meant to be directed specifically at you, but I do stand by it. Woy hasn't done a great job, I'm not saying he has, but I think a lot of fans, probably you included, wanted him to fuck up before a ball was ever kicked, like it was his fault Rafa left. Yes supporting a football club is about results, and I do bow to your superior support, but for me, it should always be about supporting the team and the manager. I think that right from August, you and others should have realised that Woy being there, and Rafa not being there, were 2 completely separate issues. I said to your face that I think you're overly blinkered about Rafa, and although I never wanted him out, there is a negative for every positive about him.

[????]

Chelsea 1890-2000 more like

I think it's pretty hard to argue that Liverpool and Man U aren't the biggest clubs in England.

When I was a youth the big 5 (as it was then), were

Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool, Tottenham and Everton...

[????]

Sorry , I would add Arsenal as well

[david_carnell]

Spurs have only got good again pretty recently after decades of little success bar the odd FA Cup.

Everton are now relegation material and haven't been "big" since the 80s.

Peaks and troughs. I think that's normal. And maybe now it's just Liverpool's turn as it were.

And Man Utd were relegated in 1974 and nearly again in the mid-80s so also went through the same grist after big success in the 60s so whilst I agree they have been a "big club" since the late 50s.

I guess what I'm driving at is that no club is "big" enough to demand success. Sometimes you just won't have it for a while.

[Annasfield]

I find it quite patronising to be honest Keef. I wasn't happy with his appointment, but I always get behind the manager and the team, especially at the match. Hodgson should do the right thing and stand down. But no, he's a stubborn get who knows that if he's sacked he is in for a huge pay off. Just like he did at Blackburn.

Changing the subject, for me a big club has been successful domestically and in Europe (not just once)* and has a global fanbase.

Manchester United, Real Madrid, Barcleona, Inter and AC Milan and also Liverpool would fit in to that category.

*If not you'd be including the likes of Steau Bucharest, although they'd be classed a big club in Romania.