Football Focus

[Jah Lush]

Rodgers was Spurs first choice to replace Harry and had apparently agreed a contract with Spurs when Liverpool came in and off he went. Capello was second choice but proved to be too expensive. Enter AVB. The jury's out but it's early days for all the new managers in the Premiership.

[Parkdrive]

Did I hear manc fans singing disgusting Hillsborough chants? Such lovely people eh?

[Parkdrive]

Is the little boy inside Really Vile Pussy screaming for his mummy?

[Mick Mac]

Parkdrive. You need help. I suggest a 6 month break from all football matters whilst you clear your head.

[Parkdrive]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Parkdrive. You need help. I suggest a 6 month

> break from all football matters whilst you clear

> your head.

not from the likes of you. RVP hands in transfer request at old stratford stating he wants to win things.

[El Pibe]

Can we end the season now please? The table looks great.

[red devil]

New season, same old defensive injury crisis.

Fair play to the Toffees, they played to their strengths and our weakness.

I'm surprised Rooney wasn't hauled off, he looked a lot less sharp than Welbeck.

Looking forward to first home game against Fulham, when I'm sure RVP will start...

[Undisputedtruth]

Shocking result, RD. Everton are notorious for their poor start to the season.

Anyway, now that you've got George Soros as shareholder, a few billion here or there would be enough to build a good team.

[red devil]

I think 'shocking' is a bit OTT. They are notorious poor starters, but that is something Moyes has tried to address by changing their pre-season. They were the first club to start pre-season training, but were also given a week off. I thought they ran out of steam in the last 20mins, and got through on andrenalin and a terrific home support...it was their cup final afterall ;-)

[Undisputedtruth]

TBH, Everton usually take points from the top four.

[red devil]

Undisputedtruth Wrote:

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> Anyway, now that you've got George Soros as

> shareholder, a few billion here or there would be

> enough to build a good team.

I'm surprised anybody, let alone Soros would want to invest in Utd knowing the terms of the float.

In theory the Glazers could sell 89.99% of the club and still retain board control.

The only good thing about the IPO was that it now gives the club a value to potential buyers...

[Parkdrive]

red devil Wrote:

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> I think 'shocking' is a bit OTT. They are

> notorious poor starters, but that is something

> Moyes has tried to address by changing their

> pre-season. They were the first club to start

> pre-season training, but were also given a week

> off. I thought they ran out of steam in the last

> 20mins, and got through on andrenalin and a

> terrific home support...it was their cup final

> afterall ;-)

No they were just better and more hungry for the wim than the pampered spoilt brats of Man Ure. Vidic looked woeful.

[Alan Medic]

Parkdrive Wrote:

> No they were just better and more hungry for the

> wim than the pampered spoilt brats of Man Ure.

> Vidic looked woeful.

Hasn't taken you long to get disgruntled PD. No wonder UDT doesn't post much on this thread when people write silly childish comments like that.

Anyone want a Nani? I've had enough of him. Evra past his best I'm afraid. Apart from that Everton were excellent.

I wonder why Berbi was on the bench last night and not Hernandez. Fergie alluded to something in a pre match interview but I didn't quite catch it. Anyone know?

[woodrot]

Undisputedtruth Wrote:

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> Shocking result, RD. Everton are notorious for

> their poor start to the season.

>

> Anyway, now that you've got George Soros as

> shareholder, a few billion here or there would be

> enough to build a good team.

Soros is smart enough not to spunk his cash on rubbish like football for anything other than short term gain

[woodrot]

red devil Wrote:

>

> I'm surprised anybody, let alone Soros would want

> to invest in Utd knowing the terms of the float.

> In theory the Glazers could sell 89.99% of the

> club and still retain board control.

>

You sure about that ?

[red devil]

woodrot Wrote:

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> red devil Wrote:

>

> >

> > I'm surprised anybody, let alone Soros would

> want

> > to invest in Utd knowing the terms of the

> float.

> > In theory the Glazers could sell 89.99% of the

> > club and still retain board control.

> >

>

>

> You sure about that ?

I did say 'in theory' Woody ;-)

There are two types of shares, Class A and Class B.

Class B shares, which only the Glazers own, are supposed to carry 10 times the voting power (control) of the Class A shares (which were offered at the IPO). Maybe my maths is askew, but I'm sure the Glazers can easily relenquish more than 50% of the capital worth of the club to investors, yet still maintain overall control. Factor in that Class A shares don't even pay a dividend, and to a novice like me it's amazing that anyone was interested in buying them...perhaps some of the City boys amongst us would like to throw some light on it?

From the net...

For % club ownership, 8,333,333 shares are being sold by the Glazers, 8,333,334 being sold by United and a potential 16,000,000 to be awarded to employees. All Class A (1 vote compared to 10 for Class B ).

Total shares are: Class A: 39,685,700; Class B: 124,000,000.

After IPO:

Glazers own all Class B and 58% (assuming 2.5m extra shares aren't sold) of Class A shares. Works out at 98.7% of voting power.

[El Pibe]

I have to say I couldn't see the point myself.

If they don't carry a say so and they don't pay a dividend then, apart from the fuzzy warm sensation that you're chucking good money at bad, ie allowing the club to carry attract top players by paying overinflated wages, thus keeping wags in the sort of clothing UDT buys at half the price until someone is photographed in them (Brad Pitt exception to the rule), I just can't see why anyone would want to buy any.

It's not like football club shares have a good history of soaring in value is it?!

[red devil]

Nope, and I can't see Soros making a quick gain as they have already dropped 2+% since the float...unless of course he 'knows something'...please God, let it be true

[El Pibe]

It's actually a glorified exercise in begging, dishing out a vague bunch of IOUs with a warning that if it all turns to shit you can whistle for it.

[Undisputedtruth]

red devil Wrote:

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> Nope, and I can't see Soros making a quick gain as

> they have already dropped 2+% since the

> float...unless of course he 'knows

> something'...please God, let it be true

Soros had made billions by going short when the UK government withdrew from the ERM on black wednesday.

So maybe we're about to see a demise of man utd similar to that of Rangers. Conference league football, RD?

[Huguenot]

No mate, if Soros was going short on Man Utd he wouldn't actually own the shares.

[Undisputedtruth]

Huguenot Wrote:

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> No mate, if Soros was going short on Man Utd he

> wouldn't actually own the shares.

For simplistic thinking traders then that's true but complicated trading strategies often involves short selling and owning shares to hedge against losses.

[red devil]

Undisputedtruth Wrote:

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> red devil Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Nope, and I can't see Soros making a quick gain

> as

> > they have already dropped 2+% since the

> > float...unless of course he 'knows

> > something'...please God, let it be true

>

> Soros had made billions by going short when the UK

> government withdrew from the ERM on black

> wednesday.

>

> So maybe we're about to see a demise of man utd

> similar to that of Rangers. Conference league

> football, RD?

I don't think so, like it or not the debt is serviceable, the recent Chevrolet shirt sponsorship covers a huge chunk of it, it's just annoying to the fans to see this money being siphoned off instead of being invested in players and the ground...someone will buy Utd for a decent price when the Glazers decide to fook off, it's just getting rid of the fookers that's the problem...

[Mick Mac]

C'mon Celtic. Half way to the group stages.

[red devil]

Good result for the Bhoys.

Assuming they will now qualify for the group stage, and with Rangers demise and the SPL title a virtual shoe-in, it's surely an ideal opportunity for Celtic to concentrate all their efforts on trying to qualify from the group stage...