Crown & Greyhound

[Jellybeanz]

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[SpringTime]

Far as I can tell the forum doesn't support racism against ethnic minorities.

Your post was probably removed due to potential issues relating to the establishment in question. If one staff member screwed up maybe the others shouldn't be implicated.

[rendelharris]

Your post was probably removed because it was an entirely unjustified accusation of racism which was frankly rather silly, which I must say didn't accord with my and my BAME wife's experience of the Dog. I entirely understand why admin had to remove your post, because it was utterly stupid and libelous. Could you please give us a link to your Twitter account, because I'd love to tell your alleged 3000 followers why you're an arse.

[rendelharris]

I've just run a search on Twitter for the Crown and Greyhound, oddly nothing relating to this terrible racist incident comes up. Surely you must tell your 3000 followers about it asap?

[JoeLeg]

Jellybeanz Wrote:

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> I wrote about my personal experience today at the

> Crown & Greyhound today but tragically the admin

> have deleted the post.

I understand you?re upset at the post being removed, but legally speaking you?ve put the forum in a tricky position. I can understand why it was removed.

>

> Sad times when racist actions are supported even

> by this forum.

>

However this part is just you talking ?^*$?#~ rubbish.

As my Glaswegian relatives might say, ?get to #%^^!?

> Never mind I have almost 3,000 followers on

> Twitter so there are always other ways of telling

> the truth and making others aware.

And that?s what Twitter is for...?nuff said.

[civilservant]

hey you lot, tone it down

i read the OP's post before it was taken down and i thought that she had every reason to believe that her family had been badly treated - she might not have been right about the reason why, but you don't know the truth of the matter either. whatever that was, it's distressing enough to think you're getting unfair treatment, when it not just you but your family also involved.

so hold off on the ad hominem attacks and let's see if the pub can help set the record straight

fwiw, OP, calling admin's actions 'tragic' is just a bit excessive

[rendelharris]

civilservant Wrote:

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> hey you lot, tone it down

>

> i read the OP's post before it was taken down and

> i thought that she had every reason to believe

> that her family had been badly treated - she might

> not have been right about the reason why, but you

> don't know the truth of the matter either.

> whatever that was, it's distressing enough to

> think you're getting unfair treatment, when it not

> just you but your family also involved.

>

> so hold off on the ad hominem attacks and let's

> see if the pub can help set the record straight

>

> fwiw, OP, calling admin's actions 'tragic' is just

> a bit excessive

No sorry I ain't going for that, the idea that a pub in this neck of the woods would deliberately discriminate against BAME people is frankly ludicrous. I'm tiresomely politically correct but I'm not going for this one. Why has the OP deleted her post?

[Jules-and-Boo]

So we're speculating about something one person has said (but we don't know what that was).

Probably.

[JoeLeg]

I read the post as well, and to be honest I thought it was a bit much going on a public forum before the general manager had been given a chance to respond.

Incidents like that are unfortunately still going on, but I have no time for people who hit up social media without giving a functioning business the opportunity to investigate and come back to them.

To then accuse the admin of supporting racism is, as you point out, way over the line.

[Jellybeanz]

It was my wife that put the post up. I was there and believe you me, I have lived in East Dulwich for about 18yrs.

I love this place and its multiculturalism. I would be the last person to cry racism and in fact when my wife first alerted me to the fact that the guy had lied to us about the pub's availability I didn't believe it.

I was shocked when I called the pub and was told there WAS availability, in the 2-3 minutes that it took me to call them back using my mobile phone - a table big enough for the exact number of people that I asked had magically become available.

I don't wont to continue with this thread and want to draw a close to this matter. When you brush things aside as political correctness gone wrong, it truly shows your naivety. My children were there and that for me made the experience even more painful.

[Jellybeanz]

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> So we're speculating about something one person

> has said (but we don't know what that was).

>

> Probably.

Admin deleted the post.

[JoeLeg]

What has the pub management said? Have they had a chance to investigate?

Allegations like this must rightly be taken seriously but along with that goes an understanding that the business will be given a reasonable timeframe within which to complete such investigations and report back to the customer. To come on social media beforehand, however aggrieved one might feel, is simply unfair. For all any of us know disciplinary procedures might already be underway.

Of course, if you aren?t happy with the response then at that point social media can be your weapon of choice, but until then restraint must be shown.

[rendelharris]

Buggeringly tiresome. Someone fucked up your booking, whatever you (or your wife, who's actually posting here?) say, there ain't no racism going on here. Are you seriously claiming that the Crown and Greyhound deliberately discriminates against BAME people? Seriously?

[civilservant]

JoeLeg Wrote:

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> What has the pub management said? Have they had a

> chance to investigate?

>

> Of course, if you aren?t happy with the response

> then at that point social media can be your weapon

> of choice, but until then restraint must be shown.

agree

this may well be cock-up rather than conspiracy, and after all it's in the pub's interest to put the record straight.

[rendelharris]

Jellybeanz Wrote:

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> I don't wont to continue with this thread and want

> to draw a close to this matter.

No mate, you don't get to say that. You've accused a respected local business of refusing custom to people on the basis of their ethnicity. Back it up or apologise.

[Robert Poste's Child]

I suspect the two threads / three posts that were deleted infringed the forum's Ts&Cs on defamation (aka libel). Unfortunately the one that started this fourth thread seems to extend the defamation to include the forum, which is silly, and tends to undermine the original argument.

Look, I completely understand that you're both angry and upset, and that this is your interpretation of events, but you must see that you can't publicly accuse someone of a criminal offence without allowing them to put their side? If your version of events is proven - proven - then by all means go for it. Otherwise trial by social media is just bullying, isn't it?

[hammerman]

I read the OP's original two/three posts today and was interested in what they had to say!

It was deleted by the Admin but then afterwards rendel et al had their say and called the OP an arse etc.

[alice]

jellybean?s a long time poster. I?ll believe them. rh back off.

[JoeLeg]

alice Wrote:

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> jellybean?s a long time poster. I?ll believe them.

> rh back off.

Why does the longevity of someone posting on a local forum somehow ensure their veracity?

Moreover, why does it mean they shouldn?t have to let the business investigate the allegations before coming on social media? This is a serious complaint that should be treated as such, and part of that is not rushing to judgement before the accused has been given the chance to conduct internal enquiries.

How long someone has been on the EDG has no bearing on this.

[rendelharris]

alice Wrote:

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> jellybean?s a long time poster. I?ll believe them.

> rh back off.

No, Alice, I won't, when I see rude, stupid and unfounded allegations of racism. There's enough real racism in the world without people flinging around unfounded allegations because they're having a hissy fit about a restaurant messing up their booking. Why precisely does longevity of account on this forum make someone's allegation more believable? And while we're here, why do you think you're some sort of unofficial admin? Make your points, stop the self-righteous telling off of others please.

Still waiting for anything to come up on Twitter telling jellybeanz' 3000 followers about this terrible racism.

[intexasatthe moment]

If someone is a long term poster it allows ppl to form an opinion ,based on their posts ,as to whether that poster has form for being over sensitive ,always diving in to stir things up for the sake of it ,aggresive ,ridiculous ,bee in their bonnet etc .

I read the OP's description of events ,the amount of detail and balanced tone led me to believe that something had s gone seriously wrong . The OP gave credit where it was due and referred to one of the managers as intervening in a helpful way and that a further response from the pub was awaited .

I didn't read later posts by the OP - perhaps they weren't balanced or calm .But from the description of what happened I can understand how he/his wife drew the conclusions they did .Possibly the conclusions were incorrect ,but we weren't in their shoes and I can see how deeply upset the OP/her husband would be .Upset enough to loose their cool and go on to post incautious posts .

Cut them some slack .

[rendelharris]

intexasatthe moment Wrote:

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> Cut them some slack .

For accusing a business of deliberately refusing service to a person because of their ethnicity, and going on to accuse the Admin of the EDF of racism? No.

[intexasatthe moment]

Well I was ,of course ,excluding you from that remark RH .

I don't want to deprive you of yet another opportunity to express moral outrage .

[rendelharris]

Deleted as realised that ITATM's comment wasn't worthy of a reply.

[intexasatthe moment]

"And while we're here, why do you think you're some sort of unofficial admin? Make your points, stop the self-righteous telling off of others please."

hilarious comment from RH who can happily tell other posters what they can't say and how they're not allowed to stop posting on a thread .

rendelharris Yesterday, 10:56PM

Jellybeanz Wrote:

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> I don't wont to continue with this thread and want

> to draw a close to this matter.

No mate, you don't get to say that. You've accused a respected local business of refusing custom to people on the basis of their ethnicity. Back it up or apologise.